Hi,
I'm not sure why this is in the new releases topic when clearly there is no released program to see. You might want to move it to the general discussion section.
I would seriously think about the 20 usd price, even $10 when the program is a text box which gives you instructions, and a built in function that executes code the user enters. My question is still this: What can you provide other than what the manual explains?
Because even if the user enters BGT code, if something goes wrong your program needs to see exactly what went wrong. An error message would not be enough, not if your program is an interactive teaching utility.
This is especially hard because there are thousands of programming styles, ways to program just one task, and this increases as your program or game becomes more and more complex. As you know users are quite demanding, if something does not work as expected you will most likely be the one to blame.
I am not sure you have completely thought this through, and the more and more topics you post, despite that 99% of the users vote 'no' starts to convince me that it is quite possible that you are desperately in need of money. I really do not want to sound or act negative, but this is becoming more and more ridiculous every day. I sincerely hope that if this will be ready, those who are willing to pay for it will be satisfied. At this stage I do not think it is fair, especially not for those who really want to learn BGT.

Rob

Hi all,
I already said in one of the two other topics made on this that I would never Pre-order, not just this, but any program.
This hole thing makes me wonder how people would react if Brendan and i were to demand payment for our game walk throughs? How would that impact on the other forum members?
This actually gives me an idea; we should maybe considder doing a long term series of walk throughs on BGT and how to learn it. This would start when both Brendan and I are comfortable with BGT and helping others learn it. Of course, we would give room for different ways of doing things for as Rob pointed out, different people like to do things in different ways.
This is just an idea I'm having; it would be interesting if you could let me know what you think of it?

Hi.
I have to agree with what many people say: what does this have to offer that the manual can't offer? I'm learning BGT and personally the manual is good enough for me.
I'd rather spend 20 dollars on a new game or buying something I know I'm going to need.
If what rob's saying is true and you are indeed in need of money, why not develop a sharewhere game of good quality instead?
I agree with Lauren, for me this is on the same prinsipal as we suddenly deciding to charge for our audio walk throughs of games.
To be honest, I can't see anyone paying us, and I can't blame them.
As for a long-term project of BGT walk throughs, I'm definitely interested in embarking on such a project, however, this won't happen very soon though since I'm busy with other things at the moment.
Should we ever do this, it'll naturally be 100 percent free, and I won't except donations!

Hmm, Now that I see the way things are going, I disagree too.

Hi,
@Brad, we are not rushing him at all. But if you want to make a program of yours popular, especially if you want to sell it, this is really, really not how you are supposed to do it. We are not asking for content, we are asking for something that would worth that 20 dollars. Ever since he started, he keeps contradicting himself.
First off, the course. It will be free, but he needs 50 to 100 dollars to start it.
Then when I asked about the content he posted something that looked good for a couple of lessons, but then turned into ridiculously long lessons with almost no content.
Next, we ask for something that would give us more insight into this project, he decides to do a trailer.
Next day, the topic is gone, new topic with a vote about a program that teaches you BGT, but based on what he wrote is no more than a user interface with a tutorial plus a separate program that runs your own code, which I suspect BGT itself bundled. The price is 10-20 euros, dollars, euros, dollars, after a couple of topics he setles on euros.
He gets 90% NO votes, with only one yes.
Then the topic is gone, next topic with some more details, meanwhile the way to donate changes, the number of votes is almost the same.
I do not know what else to say, I think this is the stage where adding more would hurt rather than help. Thus, I wish you good luck and please, please think this through before posting anything.

Rob

just to add some  more things, and contrary to what people might think, i'm not sticking the knife in.
But, I'm not paying anything to someone who is not  fluent in english. Sure, you have a good understanding of english, but it is clear to me that you are not a english speaker.
2. there were the most basic of bugs in your  playmania game of sound not centering, if you can't even do that, what makes you think you can teach it to others and expect them to pay.
I stress, i'm really not trying to stick the knife in.

Hi.
/edit/
NS studios, i just looked at the voating poll, and to me it doesn't  make sence.
as far as i know it says. like an idea yes then no.
what am i serpost to be liking?
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robla, man i totaly forgot about ns studeios play mainia (spelt wrong i no sorry) and your correct (as far as i know the glass game had the glasses slitely to the left of the player wich wasn't good.)
but, i don't remember weather alians atack came out before the play mania game. if it came out before then hmm that would be kind of sillly but if it came out afterwood then that would mean that he had lerned about panning and stuff.
because in the game if an alian was on your left you were able to walk to it and shoot it and it wouldn't miss and same about being on your rite.
but the reason i fumbed up your post is because it does bring up a good point about panning.

Well, i'll not anounse anything anymore, until the time comes. Goodbye everyone

Hi.
NS-studios:
I am one of those who am close to understand the basics in programming, but for some reason, I still don't understand it good enough to make anything which works in BGT. I understand the basics, but I'm unable to throw my ideas into code.
If you think you have any ideas on how to improve the manual, make things which would help people to understand BGT better etc, why not contact Philip and suggest that to him?
I mean, this is Philips project, Philip has wrote that awesome manual and Philip should really get lots of cretit when new people learn the programming language. I don't mean to afent you hear, but why take credit to teach people BGT when you're not the one who have made it? Why not suggest improvements to the manual? In this way, the credit goes to the right person.

About that talking typing teacher:
I think it is stupid to request so much money for a typing tutorial.
But I don't know, 20 Dollars, isn't that a little too much for just a course for BGT? I thought it over and I would request at least $10 for it.
Your idea sounds good to me, because I read the manual of BGT but never managed it to create a good game, only "hello-world-scripts", but you should think the price over.
I don't know if you planned anything with Philip?
Maybe he can ship the course along with BGT and you have the ability to pay a certain amount of money, but not $20 or €20. 20 Euros will be too much, 20 Euros are over 25 Dollars or so.

Please think it over. I'm not sure how many people would buy it, after reading all those negative posts about it, especially about the pricing.

Remember Shades of doom, where you can get yourself some cheats for $5.00. It's a bad example, but what I wanted to say is that "Extensions" shouldn't be priced higher than $5-$10.

That is not a negative post about your idea.

Hi all,

First, I'm not here to pick fights, weigh in on one side or the other, but there is something I feel needs said. I know a lot of people say that they are having difficulty learning the BGT manual. That's fair enough. However, I think this comes down to a lack of experience. An interactive tutorial may or may not give you that experience, but Roam wasn't built in a day either.

When I learned to program we actually started with pseudo code, and studied the logic behind programming before we took up a programming language. Next, we learned Visual Basic 5, which was new at the time,  and got use to programming in that language. Then, we took on more complex languages such as C++ and Java. In short, there was a natural and logical progression in learning, and when I finished my college courses I still didn't have a clue how to create a first person shooter, a side-scroller, or anything else remotely complex.  I actually knew how to program, at least the basics, but I lacked any kind of practical experience on pulling together all the components necessary to write a game.

My point being is if you walk into this tutorial expecting to learn the language and then write Shades of Doom the next day you are fooling yourself. It just doesn't work that way. Even with a language like BGT you will have to start out simple with games like Guess the Number, Paper Scissors Rock, or Blackjack to get comfortable programming in BGT. As you write games you will get better at it, more comfortable, and can slowly add to your skills by developing a more complex game. Eventually after perhaps a year or so you'll be ready to try something like a first person shooter or side-scroller. Just don't expect to be able to do something spectacular all at once.

Second, if you are having problems with BGT download the sample code, modify it, and see what you can do. Experiment with it. Understand how it works and you'll learn more from Philip's Guess the Number game and the Windows Attack game than you will from just reading the manual.