Google is more easier to find when it comes to business..And  yes i agree with it that it was the first engine to rate results of links and the number of page. We can automatically find the links on the web.
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I recall BT had a deal with Yahoo so I can put that down to an isolated case.

I'm sorry but if you think Google has good business ethics you've not been keeping up. Street view has cvaused a lot of upset where people in countries object to it, and in Germany Google went so far as to ignore the German government objecting claiming there were no laws against it. The Google digital library project is insanely controversial, and the only reason they have made some agreements so far is they have thrown money at out of court settlements. While they may have good treatment of staff, their handling of controversial projects is horrifically flawed.

Google are becoming the Microsoft of search engines. Having by far the largest market share doesn't help this.

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Please reply. Your post is quite coherent, but I have concerns about your signature. It looks like it is advertising something.

Google is more popular, but it may not be the best. there are search engines that might have more features than google. they're all good in their own way.
and also @cx2: notice how everyone other than the regular audiogamers who post in this topic, has only one post. notice their signitures, indeed, they're advertising something. but. are these bots? they might not be. but, they're not gamers either.

I hadn't heard that about google's legal shinanigans, ---- though unlike microsoft they doom seem much better at distributing the money they make around their employee base in a fairer manner, ---- rather than simply either plowing most of the prophet into making more prophet and massive bonuses for people at the top, ---- while screwing down the wages of everyone at the bottom as far as competitive job markits and work regulations allow, ---- which is the practice in far too many large coorporations.

I can't say wheter these posters are bots or not, ---- sinse I have sigs turned off, ---- say give them 48 hours to respond or ban them.

I'm also incredibly! surprised to here someone say Yahoo's other services are better than google. yahoo's mail groups I find a right pest, ---- not the least because of the impossible to get around image verrification code, ridiculous privacy screening, and inability to have group subscriptions organized in a logical manner.

No, author royalties matter,. The fact that these royalties can mostly come from people grabbing a paperback for £5 rather than publishers offering abridged audio versions for £35 is a very different matter.

I haven't been keeping up on the story and don't really have enough info to make a judgement, ---- sinse most of what I've heard of online publishing has been either about people like podiobooks, or Amazon's digital publishing service.

I could well believe that however nice Google is with their prophet distribution and their worker base, they could run roughshod over a country's own laws, ---- equally, because the publishing industry is just as money grabbing as any net company, it could be an extention of attempts to stop the digital revolution in publishing (read about Amazon's service and you'll see what I mean).

I can't say one way or the other without more knolidge currently.

Well, I'm not certain of that one, sinse I think the process by which authors are paid for their books is going to have to change rapidly in future simply to account for digital distribution methods, ---- I'm hoping the podiobooks model, ---- or even subscription only services will become more common.

google however isn't the first digital service which has run into nasties over this. Amazon are attempting to create a proprietry format to distribute the published works of authors who sign up with them.

the problem is this will mean not only do they have complete control over pricing for the customer, ---- but also for the author, sinse they will be the only producer of that format, ---- the debate on sales and royalties is remarkably similar there too, ---- not to mention the end user problem that people will only be able to play amazon's format on things running windows.

I'm not sure if google are being particularly bad, or if this is simply an area where a new industry is being created and companies are wanting to take control of it with just as much an Iron fist as publishers did traditionally.

I've never heard of an author who didn't have to bow to publishers' wishes in some way shape or form.

the first harry potter book was actually considderably shorter than jk intended, ---- misisng out even things like the description of what Dean thomas looks like, and nearly headless knick's story about his botched beheading due to publisher's concerns on length.

She even also wanted to write under her own given name, ---- Joanna rowling, accept for some bizarre reason the industry decided that boys wouldn't buy a book obviously written by a woman, ---- which seems insane to me sinse some of my favourite authors from the time I was about 7 have been Dianna wynne jones and susan cooper, ---- who both write under their own natural first names.

Fair enough, as I said I haven't been following the case.

the problem is proprietory formats seem like a way for the coorperate  vultures to keep  their claws firmly in control, ---- irrispective of all the issues, and the fact that anyone with a half way decent  digital recorder  and a sterio cable can create an mp3 copy of any audio they wish in just as good quality as the original.

I'm hoping eventually this gets sorted out and better models for distribution come about, ---- but there will distinctly be a teething period, which we are going through at the moment.

I didn't think that mp3 was actually a propriatory format, ---- more a compression technique.

Either way, where as copying video cassettes was time consumin, expensive, and probably likely to produce poor quality, copying audio with a sterrio cable is quick, easy and creates just as good quality as the original.

I've got several friends who've entirely digitized their cd collections simply for ease of access.

I'm hoping that the money grabbers will just eventually bow to fate and try and go with the flow rather than fight it with all this propriatory format rubbish, ----- afterall, selling storage and subscriptions to archives material is stil a way for them to make a prophet, but I admit I have a rather low opinion on the ability of such people to recognize that the old iron fist controlled, pick a mark up and trebble it methods of distribution aren't going to work for much longer.

Already the film wrental industry is struggling because people are realizing there's no point in wrenting a film for 4 pounds when it can be bought for 12.

I bet their kicking themselves now, ---- given how widely mp3's are used. Stil, ---- I don't really see what could be done in a case like that.

I didn't know addoby's format was actually audio as well, --- I thought it only applied to text.

At least though it's possible to use and create things in it without paying mega dosh to Adoby to use it, ---- though presumably they stil have the writesto the players etc.

that's what I assume anyway, sinse that's the way pdf format works and I can't see an audio format being too different, ----- even if someone wanting to distribute books in it would have to buy Adoby's own creation software, ---- that's stil one better than amazon controlling everything.

I didn't realize that the ease ad universality of mp3 format was such a blessing in disguse, ---- interesting indeed.

True enough, ---- though that's another reason why adoby is probably a better bet, sinse unlike amazon it's software to create in proprietory format doesn't cost the earth, ---- even for someone publishing their stuff in a more serious sense, ---- I must ask the gm of chronicles of arborell whether he's got the commercial or free version of adoby to create the books and documents for the series.

Oh, and yes, I've banned the two single post, single link posters in this topic. There was a similar response with a link that was plainly spambottage, which I subsequently deleted.

while There's a vague outside chance that I've banned humans who for some odd reason like writing bb code links leading to money lenders, ----- i don't think this is too likely. I've also left an appropriate message, and if they contact us I'll be glad to unban them.

Better this than having registered spambots.