2018-07-31 02:14:06 (edited by flameAlchemist 2018-07-31 02:26:39)

Hi,
long story short my mom is getting a computer that my brother refurbished and he wants me to wipe the hard drive that was on her windows XP. does anyone know if their are tools that work with NVDA? we're going for a complete wipe of the hard drive so that no recover software can get the stuff back. the only one I found was Darik's Boot and Nuke from https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-wipe-a- … ve-2624527

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2018-07-31 03:56:57

CCleaner can do it, if you mess around in the options you can make it extra secure by doing several passes and such.

2018-07-31 04:52:39

There used to be a program called Eraser that claimed to be able to wipe a drive from just a single file to the entire drive, but since it ran in Windows, I was never certain if it could do a total wipe like Kill Disk could.

2018-07-31 06:30:33

is that the only one that works with NVDA?

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2018-07-31 08:58:04

Darik's Boot and Nuke uses its own Linux operating system, so as far as I know won't work with any screen reader since it doesn't run under Windows.

To do a complete wipe, you'll have to either boot up into a Windows/Linux recovery/preinstall environment on the target computer, or remove the hard drive and hook it up as an additional drive on another computer. Nothing is going to be able to wipe a hard drive while Windows is running from that same drive.

2018-07-31 13:48:19

Yeah, you can't whipe a drive from within windows, except if you're resetting windows 8, 8.1 or 10. If you want to whipe from linux, you can use talkingarch. You'll need to create a bootable usb, you can do this with a program named rufus. You'll also need to boot from it, if the pc supports booting from usb you can either ask a sighted person to help you access the bios or you can make windows xp unbootable by setting it's partition to inactive in disk management, I think. Some of this stuff is complicated, but it's very easy to break things, harder to fix them. And if you want to destroy the data, experimenting can only improperly destroy it.

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2018-07-31 14:36:08 (edited by Orko 2018-07-31 15:18:27)

I ran across this boot & nuke thing a while back, and as I recall, you configure what you want it to do, then create the media, then just boot the media and it does it thing without any intervention from the user.

I'd remove all the hard drives from the computer except for the one you want to wipe, then boot the nuke. Then periodically take a picture of the screen with Seeing AI or some other OCR app to see what's going on or how far along the nuke is, or use Be My Eyes.

Update: Eraser is still available only now it is an open source project, I believe that it might be able to wipe the entire drive as long as it is installed as a second drive so it can by unmounted.

It's free so you have nothing to loose by looking at it.

https://eraser.heidi.ie/

2018-07-31 15:48:35

O yes failed to mention, make sure to remove any external hdd's you don't want whiped when trying my solution!

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2018-07-31 15:59:39

think I'm gonna use see cleaner. how do i get the drive out to erase it.

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2018-07-31 16:58:57

That must be a new feature, last I knew, all CCleaner had was a secure file delete feature.

Just for safety, regardless of how confident I am about using the wiping program, I always remove anything from the system I don't want wiped before starting. It only takes a second to irretrievably destroy critical information the system needs to access your data.

A full system backup doesn't hurt either.

2018-07-31 17:15:56

I'm gonna check if they need anything on that hard drive. How do I erase the hard drive? I don't even know where they put the old  xp machine. I can't do NVDA on it cause its real slow when it runs. Unless I can take the hard drive out and plug it in to my computer. Won't I need an enclosure for that?

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2018-07-31 20:07:22

Depending on how old the computer is, you might not be able to connect the hard drive to your computer because the interface technology won't match.

If it's really old, the drive will likely use IDE, ATA, or PATA (it's all the same thing) technology which probably won't connect to your computer without an adaptor. ,Newer systems will use SATA of some sort, which is more than likely what your computer uses.

The cabling is completely different so you can't plug drives from older systems into a newer system.

If you can get the cover off the old computer, the drive is usually held in place with four screws, or the case may use a screwless mounting system.

2018-07-31 20:09:50

so, theirs no way to wipe it?

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2018-07-31 20:27:48

There is, smash it with a hammer, then cut the platter into pieces with a saws all equipped with a fine toothed metal blade.

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2018-07-31 21:00:15

There is no way to completely wipe a hard drive while an operating system is running from that drive. You'll have to either run another operating system from boot media on that computer, install another drive in that computer as primary and move the drive to be wiped to secondary, or move the drive to be wiped to another computer, as a secondary or external drive.

If the hard drive itself is not important E.G. you don't intend to actually use the drive again, just want to destroy the data on it, physical destruction is an option. Remove the drive, open it up by removing screws, then smash the platters to bits.

Before doing any of the above, make absolutely sure nothing on that hard drive will ever be needed again. There is nothing worse than wiping a drive or smashing it, then finding out some critical, irreplaceable, non-recreatable data is needed, a few minutes ago that data could be copied with little effort, but now it is totally lost forever.

2018-07-31 23:22:19

If you don't want to disassemble the computer the drive is in, and you don't need to keep anything that's on the drive, I'd use Darik's Boot and Nuke option you spoke in your opening message. That wiper runs outside of Windows so it will be able to wipe the entire drive.

2018-07-31 23:42:44

how do i put that ISO file on to a disk or USB? does XP do boodible from USB?

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2018-08-01 00:38:35

Blanko, the company that made DBN recommends using CD Burner XP, a free program, to burn the ISO to a disc, or you can try iso2usb to make a bootable usb stick from the iso file.

Unfortunately, it sounds like DBN isn't like the utility I ran across a couple of years ago, it sounds like it leaves you and a command prompt where you type in a command line to start the disk wiper. And that won't have a screen reader so you'd need sighted assistance.

The utility I found allowed you to set up everything in a dialog, then it created a media file, like an iso file, to make the boot disc with. Then when you booted the disc, the disk wiper started automatically.

I could be wrong, the website for DBN didn't offer a lot of information.

2018-08-01 02:40:45 (edited by Orko 2018-08-01 02:44:44)

Hey! While filling up my monthly pill minder for the upcoming month and thinking random thoughts, I've come up with a way to erase that hard drive entirely in Windows so you'll have a screen reader for the whole process.

  1. Get a copy of the basic talking PE using Windows 7 and burn it to a DVD.

  2. Get a portable copy of CCleaner and put it on a USB flash drive.

  3. Boot the talking Windows PE disc.

  4. Insert the USB flash drive.

  5. Run the portable CCleaner and use it to wipe the hard drive.

Since Windows is running from the DVD and not the hard drive, CCleaner should be able to wipe the entire drive.

Talking Windows PE ISO files.
http://opopanax.net/download/

CCleaner portable
https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/download/portable

Good luck!

2018-08-03 15:14:07

just as a miserable side note. I once in my younger days wondered what would happen if you actively wiped out the partition ware windows was installed. those who know me, would know that, i'd sit to find out. right?
so I did.
now sit with me, and let me tell you a little story, from a appy, who just begun with pcs.

turns out. i got very lucky. and can tell you never to try it. here's what happened.
I had 2 partitions.
the 1 was a very small little system partition. don't  know how it got their, don't know why it was their. but, in that particular drive. it was used to boot the pc.
so, in other words, everything started from that little partition.
the beautiful little boot files was sitting there. quite happily. they really did nothing wrong, you see.
They was mining their own business. when I came along. and tried to format the partition.
It obviously did not work. windows saw what I was trying to  do, and in my younger in experienced days, the fact it did not wanna format, just bugged me.
Now see here, this little partitions got to go! yes you do. you ain't saying know to me. I  want you gone!
I had my install disk handy, so did not care for that instelation. I wanted to know, what would happen if this little partition got wiped out.
the only problem was, good old windows was standing right their, blocking me.
so, what did I do? well, I got out the virtual hammer.
I hooked up partition magic,
and forcefully wiped it.
it warned me that files are in use, it also warned me it was the boot partition, it even whent as far, as to offer me the cancel butten first.
but know, know, I was not interested, I did not wanna listen, I wanted to wipe this little partition. who done no body any harm.
So, i fully expected the pc not to boot,
right?
so that was exactly what happened.
but with one steven king type of twist.
and hence why I come to the end of my story. with a warning to all of you.
for those foolish soles who is curious, who looks at a little small small boot partition, and wonders if he or she should wipe it out. just for laughs? don't do it, when a active version of windows is running.
when windows it self is refusing to delete it, when disk part refuses, hell when no commands you can think of, would release it. in that curious moment when know usual force commands would work!
Remember now, this was the days before common sence.
So, why should I not go ahead?
why? well, here's the answer.
the drive I was using was a segate 320 gig drive.
the usable  space on the drive was 298.09 gigs.
would you guess how much space was left after reinstelation of the new windows?
would you guess what the drive did?
*roles the drums and rings a game bell*.
the drive took that little 100 megs of corrupted  space. and removed it completely.
it actively marked that space as bad sectors and refused to give it back until this day.
until this day. that same seagate 320 gig drive, of 10 years ago. stil lives with me, it stil ticks along happily.
its health is at 100 percent. that was when seagate made drives to last.
it has, know, bad sectors.
but until this very day.
the usable space is only, 297point 9seven gigs.
when in actual fact its twin drive, stil offers me the full 298 point 09  gigs.
And that folks, is why I never, ever, ever mess around with trying to see if i can break windows, just for fun,
just because it was a nice board warm satterday afternoon when the birds was chirping outside.
Perhaps one day. if I have a drive I care not for, i'll mess around again. but until then, When I have that much time to waste, i'll stick to my hard learned advice, which is. do not mess with active boot partitions, if it is windows xp whose managing things.
and be carefull if it warns you that its in use.
And that folks, is my little story for the day.

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2018-08-03 16:06:15

I've never had that happen to me despite the many drives I have wiped over the years. The difference is though that I always booted to MS-DOS to do disk wipes so Windows wasn't running to interfere with the wipe. This was also before I lost my vision so I had that option available to me.

2018-08-05 19:11:57

that fake windows defender thing by tspivy does it.

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2018-08-05 20:35:01

What the f*** are you talking about??

2018-08-06 13:33:43

tspivy made a program called windows defender (not to be confused with microsoft's aufering) that will whipe the hard drive.

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2018-08-06 13:45:46

OK, will wipe the drive if Windows is running from it? All the other wiping tools either run in DOS or you need to attach the drive to be wiped as a second drive.