Well, there seems to be 14 DAISY training books, but I don't really need those things.

The UAC in Vista now actually works (in previous versions it would not read the UAC prompts), and it now reads WLM messages again when they come in, it wasn't doing that in JAWS9 either, at least on this machine it wasn't.

Lets see. Oh, as I said above autoforms mode is great, but it took me awhile of how to get out of these multiline edit boxes, i just had to press escape (using autoforms), but I didn't realize that it would actually work! There's new verbosity settings for headings, you can have it disable headings altogether, so for example, instead of:
heading level 1 Go here

It would just say:

Go here

Or, you can have it announce just the heading, as shown here:
heading Go here

Or, you can retain it the way it did before. I have not tried the supposedly more responsive RealSpeakSolo voices, I don't really need them and it just takes up space etc etc.

Yeah there isn't a huge improvement, though it is nice to have that heading announcement, very neat.

My thoughts are this: JAWS is getting worse by the version. I recently updated from 8 to 9, and I find that 9 crashes much more frequently, does strange things, for example, whenever you run GoldWave you have to restart jaws at it refuses to read the screen once GoldWave is run, and instead reads the goldwave control screen as if it's still open. So, if NVDA gets better, or Window Eyes, maybe I'll switch someday. I'm just not in any hurry to upgrade to a version with new features that should amount to a minor update, like JAWS 9.1.

I agree with you there, JAWS10 eloquence is... Not what it used to be, it cuts words off and stuff, and sometimes just blotches out altogether. JAWS8 was a complete bomb, 9 was so bad that I just went back to 8 after trying out the demo, and beta10 is not that bad although it does crash sometimes.

Jaws also jas done this for awhile and I cannot fix it: when using the JAWS cursor, for example and your in GoldWave, or any program, this is what it says:

JAWS Cursor
Desktop start button task bar GoldWave Microsoft Word VIP Mud Windows Live Messenger Internet Expl

Litterally it cuts it off, and has been doing that for awhile. Rooting the cursors doesn't help either.

Yeh apple does have voice over, wich for the most part don't compare to jaws. One thing I think apple needs to add to voice over is scripting. then they would have some more power. I can think of some other things that need to be improved appond too, but I want menchon them here. All and all, VO is good for what it does. I wonder how long blind peoples will stay with windows? I have to agree with you with the useless features in jaws. bet you I really haven't used most of the features that they included in 9 or 8. It's when compunys start putting in the autharuzation thingy like in JFW, they start to incurradge people to pack. There is window-eyes if you really don't like JFW, but you still have to pay for the updates.

Sorry Andy. That's not what I ment. I mean if you put your harddisc on another cable, or if you move the harddisc to another connector on the same cable in a desctop machine, you'll lose your registration. This is going to happen if you don't do anything to the data on the harddisc. The weird thing is that if you move the harddisc back to the same persision on the cable again, your registration is back to normal again.
If you want a stable system, I'll highly recommend you to check out the Mac.
You can find some very great podcasts on
www.blindcooltech.com
made by an awesome guy called Mike Arrigo. He is really good to explain how things works.

I'm planning on playing with lenix as soon as I can get my hand on a copy, wich I don't know when that will happon. As for NVDA, I played with it some, and it's alright. As for VO, it may be bilt in the OS, but it's clunky in away. Don't think I will really pay that much for a computer though. I don't care if it looks good or not.

LOL. OOPS. The thing is, I'm weighting Until I can borrow a highspeed connection before I get the 700 mb of linux. You pretty much stated the reason why I don't like VO. NO one to compete with means that they can make improvements when they want to. CX, did you hear of all the crapt that they are trying to pull on the IPhone? Makes me question who they really thinking about. Themselves must likely. Don't think I really would want a screen-reader in the hands of a company like that, and I don't have the money for Windoweyes. Don't know rather or not I would swich anyway. don't have a good reason to swich or upgrade yet. Just give me a real good reason and watch what happons.

I read about that on the web. You are right about the WM thing too. My PM can pretty much do what the IPhone can do. the things that are lacking are the things that require vision, a phone, and or motion detection. Who really needs those to enjoy a PDA in the first place. Ok, maybe you need vision to have more fun, but other then that... I know that there are smart phones out there running WM6 stander, but over hiped is what the IPhone is. LOL. Maybe JFW is starting to get over hiped too. JK, maybe...

Wm6.0 pro is for the touch screen phones and I'm wondering how mobile speak and pocket hal makes them accessible. I know the PM is running wm6 classic and that seems to work OK. Just don't know how I would use a touch screen if I had one. I know some who has a mac book and they talk like it works alright for them, but to me a computer is a computer and a screen reader is a screenreader, but for me I will buy the best for me.

I always wanted to play with a netbook. Hmmmm. to bad I don't have extra money to throw away.... That onscreen keyboard thing doesn't sound useful at all. who all used pocket hal or moble speak? Sorry about hijacking the topic.