1 (edited by grryfindore 2018-07-08 06:44:07)

Hi,
So I am building a desktop pc for a friend of mine, and thought I would post the work I have done so far and if you guys see something that maybe problematic or such or any suggestions on the rig would be fantastic.
Havent really done this before,but here we go.

He needs it to be a budget pc, that is something that doesnt cost more than $700, lasts for at least 5 6 years as thats kinda a lot for here about 50k INR and works smoothly at least for that long.
So I am going for something powerful with costcutting at a few points,kind of a midway if you will,something that is a bit future proof too.
He just plays Audiogames and the other stuff that people end up doing on a computer,browsing and the like. so this maybe slightly overkill but I think this will last him at least for 7 years if not more.

here is the pc component list
its still a wip, and the motherboard I will be using is this
https://www.amazon.in/motherboard-GIGAB … rd+8th+gen

What I would really like help with is the power supply, as I dont think this kind of pc needs that power supply on the list, so something cheaper and more effective maybe better,same for the case.
a few questions I can think of atm are,
does he need a cpu cooler? also case fan,fan controllers,Thermal Compound, and if yes, what might be good but yet cheap well not the cheapest out there but I hope you get where I am getting at. smile
any recommendations? will the ram I have selected work fine with a i5 8th gen 8400 processor? or do I need a 2600 instead of a 2400?
Thank you!
Grryf

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This may help.

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/the-gee … -hardware/

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This article from Lifehacker could be useful.
https://lifehacker.com/5840963/the-best … 0-and-1200
As for wattage this calculator should help.
https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
You do want CPU fans, and the more fans you have, the cooler the CPU will be.
Hope this helps

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If you haven't ordered your parts yet, you may want to think about building
This build.
It has a far better blend of CPU and GPU power thanks to the ryzen APU, the ram is 2x4 GB so will run in dual channel mode, and the case and PSU are solid choices. The motherboard is included in the build too so the price on the page covers everything. The CPU cooler bundled with the 2400G is also miles better than the Intel cooler, Given that your friend wants his machine to last longer this really is worth thinking about. The boxed Intel coolers that come with the non K CPUs are complete and utter garbage and you'd only end up throwing it away and buying something better. There is more than enough power here for audio gaming and all the other tasks you'd be doing and the thing will even attempt mainstream games and manage something playable, where the Intel HD graphics on the i5s shit the bed

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for a case, I"d recommend the Coolermaster HAF912 with uSB3.  Also, the Coolermaster 200MM fans for front and top, the 140 on the side and the 120 in the rear.  My PC is an AMD FX8350 with 32GB ram, and this system stays nice and c ool, considering AMD CPU's have a tendency to run hot.  ALso, the Hyper212 EVO cooler for your CPU, provided it works, fits in this case and the CPU stays cool as can be.   

The case is about 50 bucks USD and the fans are about 10-20 each, so for under $100 USD, it will stay extremely nice, cool, and quiet.

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Hi guys,
Thank you for the links, they have proved to be of help. smile

The updated list looks something like
Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard Gigabyte H310M H 
Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Cooler Master - K380 ATX Mid Tower Case
Cooler Master - Elite Power 400W ATX Power Supply
Anything else I should consider? add,change?
will this motherboard require a wireless network card?

@Exodus the abovebuild looks neat, however my friend is into intels processors, or probably because intel is all your average joe hears about,anyway. I have considered AMD for my own builds as they cost a bit less than their intel counterparts, but dont jaws and the like have an issue with AMD processors?
btw, pcparts shows an incompetibility issue with the list you posted.
Also, I dont think he is likely to play any mainstream games,so a gpu doesnt really matter as much. from what I know.

After reading the lifehacker article, I tried to see the case they recommend, but here amazon has it for double its price! so unfortunately that coolermaster is out.
Same for the one G-Rad recommends, a shame both those cases were quite good.

One question I have on the powersupply though is my total shows 100w discluding the moniter so probably 130 150w, will the lowest power supply with 250/350w rating do? currently I have added a 450w psu, just to be safe but I am thinking it might be overkill and not necessary. after all, I am not using a graphic card and those seem to be the major users of power.
There are many cheap cabinets that come with smps and power supplys, are those any good? there by I may save costs,but I have read at a few places that they are generally not good and to be avoided. so yeah.

Thanks!
Grryf

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yeah... They have to put that compatibility warning in because  of the lack of raven ridge supporting bios when that CPU launched. Most boards are shipping with updated bios now and AMD will send you out a boot kit should you end up with a board that hasn't been updated. As far as jaws and AMD go, I did run jaws a long time ago on AMD hardware with no issues. I think G-Rad does too? I am sure I saw mention of jaws in one of their daw topics anyway.  If you're friend is determined to go with intel, then you're really going to have to look into an after market cooler. I can't stress how crap the bundled one is. They are noisy, don't cool effectively and will probably not last 6 or 7 years. The Hyper 212 evo is a good one and can be had just about everywhere, the Scythe Kotetsu is a better cooler for not much extra but is harder to find. When it comes to PSUs, I'd pay more attention to efficiency more than the wattage. Could you go lower? Yes. But you really wouldn't want to. The PSU in my build stands a better chance of lasting 6-7 years. But as you can see I had to make sacrifices to keep prices roughly the same. You really don't want to skimp on a PSU, especially when that PSU has to power everything for the amount of time your friend is after.  Finally, does your friend need to build right now? This is literally the worst time to be building from scratch, DDR 4 ram prices are hideous right now and a lot of people are turning to pre built systems. Ram is over double the price it should be and manufacturers are being investigated for price fixing currently.

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Hi,
Thank you a lot,Exodus for your help and for your detailed post. smile

Unfortunately he cant wait much longer, he is stuck on an machine that can only do xp, internet explorer doesnt work anywhere, firefox etc run slower than a turtle.

I will probably get a cooler,and at least this cooler you suggest is available around here, doesnt cost much,either, so it will do. Thanks!
btw, could you look at the psu I have chosen? the updated link is in the first post.

I still can not find a good case that has usb 3 slots on the front, and dont cost as much.
btw, what can you use the external bays in the case for? and the expansion slots?
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Pick up a 120gb ssd as they not that pricey at the moment.
I just picked up a couple for.
£24 = 120gb
£47 =240gb
£72 = 500gb

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Hi,
I already did a 250gb samsung evo ssd or at least its short listed.
I too, was quite surprised to see the prices on those things!!!
Wish I had a pc now... lol.
Grryf

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Hi,
Another update, case still has me stumped, but I have narowed it down to these 2 psus

Corsair VS450 450-Watt
https://www.amazon.in/VS-VS450-Manufact … b_title_ce
Cooler Master MWE 450
https://www.amazon.in/Cooler-Master-MWE … words=Smps

Besides the case in my first pc parts link, I am considering
Corsair Carbide Series 100R CC-9011075-WW
https://www.amazon.in/Corsair-Carbide-C … &psc=1

Any comment/suggestions or such on these would be welcome.
Thanks again

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Well the case I mentioned, the Coolermaster HAF912 has a USB3 port on the front along with USB2 and audio, also has  dust guards in the slot bays, and infront of the intake and on the bottom for the PSU fan.

It costed me about $50 USD. 

It has 4 external 5.25 inch bays which are good for  optical drives like a blu-ray burner or DVD rom drive, and can also be used for  fan controllers and such if desired.

That Samsung 850 EvO drive is a good choice.  I have the 500B version in my build and love it.

Yes I do run an AMD build with no problems.    ALso the one thing I would change with your build is the 8GB being a single stick, I'd rather you go with 2 4GB sticks so you can run the ram in dual channel mode as opposed to single stick.   Also you will want to find something on the graphics side that can handle a decent amount of workload, for  if the video lags, it will lag the overall system as well, and you won't want that, additionally, you don't want to share system RAM with video if you can avoid it, or it will take away from that 8GB.

As for PSU units, I run a 750 Watt efficient unit that I paid $200 10 years ago on, and it still works nice to this day *jinx*.  I cannot remember the brand right off the top of my head,

Yes, though I do run an AMD system:

AMD FX 8350 8 core 4GHz CPU
Asus M5A-99FX R2.0 Motherboard
32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro  4x8GB sticks
500 GB Samsung 850 Evo SSD
WD 3TB Hard drive
Coolermaster Hyper212 Evo CPU cooler with  2x 120mm fans; one on each side doing a push/pull setup.
Coolermaster HAF912 Case with USB3 with fan cooling

My graphics card is a Sapphire  ATI Radeon HD6970 2GB GDDR5.

I've been running this machine for 3 years, and I don't think I will need to upgrade any time soon.

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I'd swap in the PSU and ram from my build and use a corsair carbide 200r, it has the extra CPU cooler clearance over the 100R. A note about the cooler master 212, you want to grab the led version as it's not overpriced. Someone is attempting a scam there with the evo, it should cost half that. If stuff is starting to get too costly, drop down to the i3 8100. That's still plenty of power for general stuff and audio gaming. Or you could tell your friend to stop being a hater and let you build them AMD version I put together, they'll like it honestly tongue.

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Hi,
finally decided a mixture he was comfortable with and which didnt cost to high heaven and back.
Just ordered stuff on amazon and it should be reaching him by jul 13 17, or so amazon says.

@G-Rad, that is a wonderful case and I looked at it when you first mentioned it, but its overpriced here by a lot hence not worth spending over $100.
in the end I went with the r100 as the r200 couldnt be delivered to his location, plus it was not sold by the seller and forefilled by amazon (a thing I look for) but just by the seller alone which does not result in good experiences,usually. that is not to say that forefilled by amazon always works out,but it almost always does. but I digress.

@Exodus, thank you for the worning, I never would have noticed the variation in price in the cooler master 212 evo, that is on order now. smile
I did decide to go for the psu you suggested honestly at 3999 it was slightly expensive but the bronz rating made it worth it. I added it in the morning,and would you believe it it got sold out by the seller I had selected, bah!.
ram though I could not add,sadly because of 2 reasons. 1 he wanted an 8gb stick so that he could upgrade to  16gb in the future,and crucial doesnt have service centers here if something goes wrong.

Here is what the build looks like atm.
Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor
Gigabyte - H310M H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Samsung - 860 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case
Corsair - CX (2017) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (waiting a day or 2 to see if the price goes down again or that old seller adds it back)

Thank you at all of you for all the ideas help and the suggestions, you did make the process much easier and painless than what it could have been.
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Lets hope there are no hitches while putting them all together!
Grryf

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