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Hi.

i was recently looking into muds that could spark my interest and I stumbled upon 4Dimensions which, from the describtion, sounds something I would enjoy, different worlds, not only monster mashing, and stuff to explore is what I am looking for.
So, are there any 4Dimensions players around who can say if it's worth trying it?

Greetings Moritz.

Hömma, willze watt von mir oder wie, weil wenn nich, dann lass dir mal sagen, laber mir kein Kottlett anne Wange und hömma, wo wir gerade dabei sind, dann iss hier hängen im Schacht, sonns klapp ich dir hier die Fingernägel auf links, datt kannze mir mal glaubn.

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As I said in This topic about four dimensions the game has a lot of plusses.
The zones are very well described and well written, there are minigames, wonderful textual maps for finding your way around, and some absolutely unique crafting activities (gardening is surprisingly fun), particularly since most crafting is actually tied to doing quests and looking out for things, for instance in order to cook you actually have to know where to get the ingredience.

All that being said, the game does have a problem, namely that the  and activities tend to be a wee bit obscure and its not always easy to get help on them.
For example, the guide on crafting says you can go to a planet in the future zone and help with the grape harvest. Sure enough I got my spaceship and went along there, but there was absolutely no way to interact with the grapes at all, no harvest commands, nothing.
Sometimes you can get lucky and run into a helpful player, but often not, and that isn't even getting into the quests which can be a wee bit on the obscure side on occasion, indeed "A wee bit on the obscure side" pretty much somes up a lot about the game.

The other problem is its often a little difficult to know where to go and what to try out, since while the game has probably one of the best newbie schools of any mud I've seen and new player zones that take you right up to your first ascension, there isn't as much of an indication of what to do next. Again, asking other players helps to some extent but your very dependent on others for direction, and unlike a game like say frandom where you can just wander and try things, since four dimensions has a lot of warpps, different linking zones etc, its quite possible to get very lost or just spend a long time wandering around aimlessly, which might be a good or bad thing depending upon your preference big_smile.

I do know they were looking at implementing a quest journal system, which would likely help quite a bit, and of course it might be that I wasn't just poking the right things or that the help needed expanding, for example one major problem I had originally was that the help file on skinning didn't mention you actually have to go and buy skin bundles from the wild west in order to store and sell skins.

Its actually a game I probably ought to get back to, since the bits I saw of it, like the crafting and the quests when they did! work were really awesome, its just I wish things were a little less obscure, either that or that the right players would be around a little more often.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

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hi.
Thanks for the info Dark, I think i can got  a pritty good impression what I will encounter, I guess I will give this one a go.
You mensioned Framdom which I breefley checked in the games list, but I personally don't really like where this is going.
Sure, not everything is combat based and slay to rise themed, but still, what i am missing is the diversity, but that's a problem with most muds.
What would be awesome if you have a mud, well, set in a fantasy setting for example and you can freely develop your character. For example, and given my personall taste for example create a swift and nimble martial arts master, beating his enemys with precise kicks, punches or other hand to hand techniques, or either be a strong warrior, barreling onto the battlefield on a powerful war stallion and save the day by shere brutality and lots of guts flying, well, as far as this is possible in a text format.
This is what i am missing a bit, maybe clock would be an alternative, but I get sort of stuck in that game a bit.

Greetings Moritz.

Hömma, willze watt von mir oder wie, weil wenn nich, dann lass dir mal sagen, laber mir kein Kottlett anne Wange und hömma, wo wir gerade dabei sind, dann iss hier hängen im Schacht, sonns klapp ich dir hier die Fingernägel auf links, datt kannze mir mal glaubn.

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It's a pretty cool MUD. I think it still has a lot of guess the verbiage type quests though. Not a fan of that.

Orin

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It's... interesting, but really not my cup of tea.

I'm a cat! What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine to :P XD

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I do believe they were working on at least some of the obscurity, EG having a quest journal to reccord progress and give hints. The more serious problem I had was basically where to go and what to do.
For example alibaba's cave is supposed to be a sort of post newbie area, but I only found that out when someone told me. Likewise, one part of the quest to learn cooking involved having to kill a specific creature that only showed up at a  time of day in one area.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

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Hi.
Hmm ok, I will give this a try and see if it will work out for me or not, I hope that the player base is also of the opinion that some quests are pritty much trial and error and are at leased helpfull, not like other certain muds like Artwolf.
BTW, is the connection info still 4dimensions.org port 6000?
Because when I tryed accessing that, nothing came up in my mushclient. I downloaded the standard mushclient, do I need a special version of that program?

Greetings Moritz.

Hömma, willze watt von mir oder wie, weil wenn nich, dann lass dir mal sagen, laber mir kein Kottlett anne Wange und hömma, wo wir gerade dabei sind, dann iss hier hängen im Schacht, sonns klapp ich dir hier die Fingernägel auf links, datt kannze mir mal glaubn.

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I played it briefly and am thinking of getting back but as they said, it is a bit obscure and I didn't really know what to do. I got stuck in a particular part of the newbie school where you had to find a key in aprison room with a bucket of.... well.... stuff and couldn't figure out what I was supposed to do.

The cool thing about the game is it borrows horribly from other franchises, having a bunch of worlds that are like STAR WARs, Final Fantasy, or classic Victorian literature books. However, that variety is interesting as one moment you could go out and fight cavemen and then bring some dinosaur bone clubs into the old west or have a shootout in the okay corale with you with a magical crossbow. The fact that the worlds interplay with one another is very fun. It is super-inactive though and there aren't very many updates for it at any given time.

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Actually bookrage, there are weekly updates to the game if you use the command in the mud, but for some reason updates only get written to the website once every few months.

As a hint in 4D, one thing I will say is to  remember the old interactive fiction trick of try every command on every object, not just look or examine, but also look in, smell and sometimes read too.

That puzzle in the prison can be solved by looking in something that you wouldn't normally expect to contain things. There is a hint in said object's description when you examine it, but I just found the key by trying random stuff out.

Generally the problem I found in 4D wasn't so much guess the verb, as more what your supposed to do with particular objects  where your supposed to find them given how huge the game and many of its areas are, but as I said I probably ought to give the game another look and see where things are now since the crafting in particular was really rather awesome.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

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Hi.
Hmm, that|s strange, I still can|t seam to connect to the mud, i tried with diffferent computers and networks, but nothing works.
Is the mud currently down or am I doing something wrong?
As stated I downloaded the normal mushclient, installed and wanted to set up the mud, do I  need any plug ins by accident?
Greetings Moritz.

Hömma, willze watt von mir oder wie, weil wenn nich, dann lass dir mal sagen, laber mir kein Kottlett anne Wange und hömma, wo wir gerade dabei sind, dann iss hier hängen im Schacht, sonns klapp ich dir hier die Fingernägel auf links, datt kannze mir mal glaubn.

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No ideas on mushclient, but with vipmud its just 4dimensions.org port 6000 as it said on the website.

Annoyingly enough my character seems to have been purged. That's fair enough, I don't think I've  played for over a year, but still its a miner pest having to restart.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

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yeah with mushclient you need mushreader or no screen readerness

I'm a cat! What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine to :P XD

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Hi.
Ah thanks, now it works as it should.
BTW, did the key combination to switch to the output window change or do I have the wrong key in mind? As far as I know, switching windows was with ctrl tab last time.

Greetings Moritz.

Hömma, willze watt von mir oder wie, weil wenn nich, dann lass dir mal sagen, laber mir kein Kottlett anne Wange und hömma, wo wir gerade dabei sind, dann iss hier hängen im Schacht, sonns klapp ich dir hier die Fingernägel auf links, datt kannze mir mal glaubn.

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make sure you already added the output plujan too

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I really like 4d but my character was deleted or something, which has really annoyed me since I was close to completing my first class and the last time I played was in january. so IDK what happened.

:D happy to help out with games and the like... maybe :D

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Hmmm, Brad I assume my own char was purged primarily because I'd not played for a while. I'd finished my first class too.

still getting through the newbie  zones and then the arenas is easy enough to do once you know what is where, and that pretty much takes you to first ascension anyhow. Also I confess the newbie zones were in some ways my favourite part of the game, since there the goals  much more defined and so easier to understand, or at least it was after I'd finished the newbie zones and was working on my second assention that I started to run into the above mentioned quest troubles etc.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

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Hi.
Hmm strange, I still can't access the output window of mushclient, any ideas what the problem is?
I haven't found an output plugin anywhere on the web and CTRL tab doesn't work, or is another key combination required for that?

greetings Moritz.

Hömma, willze watt von mir oder wie, weil wenn nich, dann lass dir mal sagen, laber mir kein Kottlett anne Wange und hömma, wo wir gerade dabei sind, dann iss hier hängen im Schacht, sonns klapp ich dir hier die Fingernägel auf links, datt kannze mir mal glaubn.

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Here is my package of mushclient plugins everyone should have. If this download from dropbox doesn't work for you for some reason, just let me know and I will upload it to my server and host it from there. It has your output plugin in there among others.

I'm a cat! What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine to :P XD

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Hi.
Thanks for the link, everything worked fine.

Greetings Moritz.

Hömma, willze watt von mir oder wie, weil wenn nich, dann lass dir mal sagen, laber mir kein Kottlett anne Wange und hömma, wo wir gerade dabei sind, dann iss hier hängen im Schacht, sonns klapp ich dir hier die Fingernägel auf links, datt kannze mir mal glaubn.

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