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I'm somewhat confused here. What else do you need? Play the game for a couple minutes, then if your not mostly convinced, might I  hazard the guess we're dealing with some fans, in the admin team out of all places? *shutters*

There's recordings of old versions which were confirmed to be using up, if that, along with the questional nature of this developers reputation isn't enough then I don't really know what more to say

Again, the only real knowledge you need is of this and the old version. I happen to remember many admins loved the old version, so recordings aren't really required.
Knowledge of Ultrapower would be helpful to boot, which very few people lack these days. So what do you suggest? Just wait around allowing a developer to get full credit, not to mention money, for cloning a game, oh oh yeah. And adding the ability to piss

I'll just say that is hard because no one except the devs have that source plus other reasons that I won't explain because they have allready did.

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Lack of arguments?
Sorry if I'm in some way misunderstanding something, but I've quite clearly outlined the means one could hazard an extremely good guess, or the best we'll get at this juncture.

I might have a biased opinion, that is undeniable. But seeing what I have the last couple years, nobody could logically expect much of a difference. First the games legitimate development, playing quite frequently, making suggestions, etc. Then the code getting stolen and molded based on that developers knowledge and ideas. At first I helped out both in code and sounds, but then decided there wasn't really much of a point since at the time, Ivan with BTB had no aim other than make a new FPS. Thanks to the codes 10 month existence on github, everyone and their mom could get a hold of it. If they were able to change the title, a couple sounds, then possibly add a couple minor features, praise and worship would be all theirs. I can name 5 separate scenarios where this happened.

Originally, this was DM. I logged in and played just to have a look, and shortly dismissed it as nothing more, it'd probably end up like all the rest. However, this developer kept adding new somewhat original features. Most of which had some potential. these new features were enough to make most decide it didn't really matter. After all, I have no reason to get involved in, or care about some other game from 3 years ago. I'm here to play a game. If this game happened to be stolen or whatever, well so be it. I'm having fun, and what's life all about anyway? Many things in life are stolen, insert popular mainstream game here took the ideas and name from insert another popular game here. check post 12 if you don't know what I'm talking about. Even a few admins, some being former ultrapower players, shared this viewpoint.

A year later, we're back. Partially with the same mind set as before, with the additional but by no means new idea of individuality. We've got storms, a bunch of maps for exploration, etc.

So what are the chances this game is using nothing but new code, even though

1. This developer has a history of cloning ultrapower code.
2. To experienced eyes it definitely seems as if the core is using, ultrapower code. Remember the flexibility of UP's map system.
3. Even though I have no way of verifying this, see post 6.

They might be making money, but it's money they didn't completely rightfully earn. I don't hate the developers, I hate those who knowingly rip off others work. I think most of us are just plain tired of dealing with this, but still it gets disregarded.

Development history seriously deserves a good look whenever a new game is discussed. Usage of the word clone has become quite distorted lately though.
I don't see what your trying to say by, "I know of developers who in the past posted much more clones". I don't recall using the word clone or implying that it is such, merely that unauthorized code is most likely used in the project.
It doesn't really matter in the long run. If I were to steal a project and use it, that's the choice I would be making. In turn I would expect to be distrusted for a while. If I were to again use that same stolen project, or make it look like that project was being used but claim I wrote everything on my own, again I would expect not to be completely trusted.
If it sounds and looks like a duck, it probably is a duck.
I wasn't using sounds as a reason for the code being stolen, more as to highlight the attempt at originality.

the code was never put on github by the original developer, but someone who got their hands on it. The door to his house was never left open.

for those who still play desafio
the beta will continue one more week! and the normal update is coming early next month.

I don't realie like the payed items becouse it wil instantlie kil you and that is stupid becouse you don't have any chanse of surviving.

their reason for blocking cheat engine  is that it was making the  game slow
and also new version of desafio is out

same questions haha

Actually, where does everybody get that they don't have the right to tell you what you should and should not install? A program has every right to refuse to run if something else is installed. Nobody tells you what you should and should not install, just if you want to install it then don't play the game, very simple. I am guessing that they don't want to check whether cheat engine is running all the time as that could affect performance, so they just check whether it is installed instead. The only problem with this is that the detection, as seen is sometimes very unreliable. Moreover, you can just get portable cheat engine and it wont complain just because it can't look in all possible directories to find your cheat engine so this is really not the right way to do it, but that does not mean they have no rights to do it.

I agree but its their reason lol
maybe they have more reasons now, but when I use to play thats what they told me.

yep. You guessed it. Unlike you guys I'll stand by those who work hard, not those who paste a game together with no credit to the original author.
Cheatomatic is accessible, or was the last time I tried. Also, cheat engine is open source... If you so wish make a version for yourself. Or better yet and with no coding knowledge required, I'd imagine renaming everything would work just as well. So yes, I've done my research, especially when it comes to games that I play