@devinprater
Looks like your post got cut off by that stupid bug

Devin, I'm very glad you came to choose Apple again after trying all that can possibly be tried on the technology that is available today on the market. I like Apple because, not only are its devices fully accessible, meaning that you can set them up yourself on all stages, use a wide number of applications that cannot be used comfortably on other operating systems, and never have the need to seek sighted assistance for anything on your computer, phone or iPad. Apple is also well constructed, and by this I mean simple to use, considerably bug-free, and consistently stable. Surely, it is restricted in many areas but you can accomplish the same tasks you carry out on Android or Windows. Since the very first day when I got my iPhone, and up to this day that I'm using it, it has never crashed for any reason. On Windows, for example, applications crash for no apparent reason, and aside from crashing themselves and subsequently becoming unusable, they also crash the whole Windows environment, and you are unable to use your computer until you forcepower it off. Also, at times, some areas of Windows won't work as they should normally do. For example, my Windows machine sometimes turns on in 45 seconds, sometimes in 1 minute and 30 seconds. Android is better at this stage as when, for example, an application crashes, you just press the homebutton and the hastle with your device stops. You just need then to close the applications and start it again. However, Android has the habit of collecting junk memory which leads to your phone being slow. Not only it becomes a slow device, but the battery as a consequence drains significantly more quickly. However, on the iOS, I do not experience this problem. It is smooth, stable, and with significantly less bugs than the afore mentioned operating systems.

Hi,

My thoughts.
1. Android and apple fanbases alike are just as bad as each other. I've seen unix lovers and windows lovers go at each other with such ferocity that the discussion eventually devolves into your mom jokes. Honestly, this stigma and immaturity needs to stop.
2. Android accessibility isn't as cobbled together as you might think. Lets remember that android was and is designed to be the customized OS both for the user and the pro. As such, we have soft braille keyboard, multiple screen reading options, and a few other nice things to hand that we can't necessarily get on IOS. I'm not saying its the be all, end all of solutions, but its not designed to be simplistic or easy to use.
3. Linux is not android and vice versa. Don't lump them together. Talkback usage is far, far better than orca.
4. I actually use an apple device. I used android for 2 years. I really, really enjoyed it. It became my primary device. Is apple a little better to have as a primary device right now? Actually...No. I find I get the same level of productivity out of my iPhone than I did with my android device.

Conclusion: Do what makes you happy, but don't start telling me apple is better than unix and unix is terrible, etc. The argument just doesn't stand up.

I definitely second what Kyle said. Just about the only common relationship between Android and Linux is that they both us versions of the Linux kernel. Beyond that, there isn't enough that is alike in the two operating systems to call them anything but different in their own way. As for ios not collecting caches, let's remember that ios too is guilty of that. Does it collect as much? Perhaps, perhaps not. But Android has a direct way to clear the caches that is very straight forward. Settings, about phone/tablet, tap the build number 7 times, go back, got o developer options, turn on usb debugging. Connect your device to your computer, assuming you have adb installed, open a commandline terminal, and then:
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot wipe cache
and, for good measure, let's also:
fastboot wipe dalvic
fastboot reboot
Voila! You will now be rebooted within seconds, hopefully with an improved speed boost  since your cache partition is cleared. You should make it a regular habit to clear your caches from time to time. Ios kinda has indirect easter-egg methods of doing it, but no direct way. It's not impossible, however, so find a method that works for you and get in the habit of using it. And Android accessibility isn't cobbled. Is it perfect? Far from it, but neither is ios, windows, linux, mac, chrome os, the former firefox os, blackberry, risk os, ms dos, ok I'll stop. Lol! But you get my point. Has Android accessibility gone through leaps and bounds? Yes! Apple? Also yes. Has Apple gone downhill in some software versions? Yes, a few. Has Google? Yes, in Android 5.0, fixed later in 6.0, and I feel it's at its peak with 7.0 Nougat and the up and coming 8.0 Oreo. Remember, Google started off requiring a navigation control such as a trackball or arrow keys. Ice Cream Sandwich came out a year and a half later and impressed us with explore by touch, and really it's only gotten better from here. And plus, talkback is open source, something voiceover will never be. But that's ok, because Voiceover is pretty solid as it stands. Not sure how many people would use this on mobile, but you know what both screenreaders are lacking? Scripting support. Spiel had scripting when it was around.

@Devin, I'm glad you posted this here as well. I firs tsaw this on my Facebook page and I commented on it. I'm the kind of person who wants to work with tools that are readily available to host a web server, database server, and PHP so I can install wordPress without having to do a lot of tinkering. I went with Windows, but a lot of people act like using Windows Server is a crime, and that using remote desktop is not a good solution. I'm not sure how to learn command lines, or if I even want to, since I have grown up using graphical user interfaces. I have used Android, and I only use it for what I need it to do. I don't play around with the source code. As a matter of fact, I have an Amazon Fire Tablet that I could hack into and make it work with Android apps, since it was only built using the Android source code.

Hi.
Two things
at Orco, seriously? Someone stated why he switched back to a system that he is more capable of working with and you already take on that apple fanboys and apple is the best atitude to use that against him? Damb, that's some close minded thinking from your point.
So, now for the second one.
I had been using windows all my life now and started using phones in 2011 and started with the iPhone 4. I always used iPhones, last year, I made atempts with my fathers HtC one M7 and liked it actually. I than tried my hands at a test, I banned my iPhone one week from using and got a cheap galaxy s7 edge.
Well, I pulled through that week, but it was quite hard. The way how you change navigation settings is good in voice assistant, but not in talkback. The screen reader lags quite much, I am used to the on point announcement of voice over, even though the S7 had an exynos 8890 as a SOC, it still felt laggy.
Also, web browsing was tedious, due to the reasons mensioned above.
I switched back to my iPhone and solt the galaxy.
For a mobile laptop which I could carry around, I bought an MacBook Air 13 in Jun and I like it very much. Linux is something I need to try out.
so, I can't yet switch from iOs to androit, and if anyone thinks I am an apple fanboy, well, I don't give a flying shit in that regard.
Greetings Moritz.

One good thing about Apple's promise for gaining profit is that you can actually invest in their stocks and hopefully increase your income as well, but that's a story for another day. If we can get all corporations to simply act humain, everyone would be required to perform civic virtue. All profits must be equally shared to help others continue making accessibility improvements. And as people might say, we are a minority, like it or not, we have to get used to the fact that we might not always get what we want or need when it comes to accommodations.
I can sort of see this pattern in the comparison between JAWS and NVDA. I heard that Microsoft's feedback hub is allowing users to submit ideas about making Narrator, more accessible with all apps, and pretty soon you won't even need to worry about JAWS or NVDA. Users and vocational rehab agencies won't have to pay thousands of dollars for one screen reader.

Well, if you want to stick with macs, just beware that you won't be able to use Linux on them. Sure, maybe on the earlier models Linux might work here and there, but if you want Linux to even work close to reliably on macs, go ahead and go all the way back to the old 2007/2008 macs and forget about your 2013s. As for the latest, forget it. Apple has done it again - controlled everyone, as I've said before -- and now Linux doesn't even boot on the latest hardware they have. Oh! Also, let me not also forget to add that none of apples computers (except the really old ones) are user-serviceable! So, if your warranty expires, or your computer gets damaged, too bad -- time to spend hundreds to thousands of dollars to get it fixed!
@15, it certainly is not arrogant that we have more choices than apple offers you. More choices is actually good. If every person on the planet used apple devices then Apple would quite literally own the entire computing industry. The same applies here with Android -- we don't want one particular vendor to own an entire industry of products.

@17 not all of us have "old Windows laptops."

Excellent points Sean, and that, folks, is the reason why having multiple systems is a good idea. Look. If you want the best of both worlds, yet still swear up and down by ios, get an iphone, and then a cheapo android phone or tablet - there are many semi-decent ones out there. Sure, they won't be a completely smooth experience speed-wise, but what can I say? You get what you pay for. Not all the time, but in this case you do. I, for one, am in proud possession of a nexus6p, and even though not everyone can get even that phone, it sure as hell is cheaper than most iPhones today, and you get a lot more for your money in my opinion. As for the controlling of the ecosystem that is entirely true for ios. You must remember though that Apple's target audience isn't the geeks among us that are used to having devices we can use and pick apart as we please. Their design is simple, it just works. Well, it may not work all the time, but they want it to just work, to the point where anyone can pick up an iPhone or maybe even a mac, and use it with not much technological literacy needed on their part. AS such, their marketing pitch obviously does require them to cut off access to the so-called scary aspects of the operating system. Am I in line with their marketing pitch? No, not entirely. But I realize I can't expect them to at the same time, make it entirely geek-friendly. That's not to say Apple isn't all bad either. I still use and love my mac, although Ethin is right, if you're to use Bootcamp, you're forced to use windows 10, take it or leave it. In regard to installing Linux, possible? Yes. Easy? not really Supported? Definitely no. Full-proof? Not even maybe. Not even sure if this works on the macbook pro 2016, for those who have that. Logically I don't see why it wouldn't, but you never know. And talking of Linux, Ulices @Green Gables Fan: I can't speak to what others have said, but I, for one, don't have anything against you personally for using windows server. Why would I, anyway? If there's anything to be against, it's windows server. The only reason is that there simply is not much of a need for windows server, and it really isn't worth the ridiculous licensing fees. Windows server vs Linux is not another case of one is better than the other because of this and this and that. There are actual, solid facts to back me up here. Vps's have to pull strings and cut every corner to get the licensing fees down to anything reasonable for windows server. And even so, a gui takes up memory, memory which you could really be allocating to your server, which is why you'd be doing yourself a huge favor by taking the time to learn Linux. You grew up on gui's? Well guess what, I spent the better part of my computer usage on gui's as well. Did I freak when I saw commandline? No. I'm not saying you did, but there comes a point where you just gotta take the time to step out of your comfort zone and get to know it. Linux is one of those operating systems that really teaches you how to use a computer.

I'd like to say, for Green Gables sake, that a command-line interface is certainly no joking matter. But it also should never -- and I do mean never -- be something you fear. Keep in mind that all of the computers we've ever made are just tools. They do what we tell them to do. It's the way we use them -- what we tell them to do -- that gives certain ways of computing bad reputations. But as Jack has said, if your going to run a server, you best learn how to use a command-line interface. It honestly isn't very difficult -- it's almost like your having a conversation with your computer. In fact, that's what most technicians imagine it as being: a conversation between two different things. You can ask the computer to provide you data, the computer can ask you to provide it data, both (or either) of you can refuse to cooperate... that's all it really is. It's hard to adjust to, I know. But you will find that the command-line interface, while seeming like an innocent, harmless little thing, is far, far more powerful than any GUI-only computer user can imagine. In fact, the command-line interface is definitely the most powerful interface that a computer has ever had. The interface is so powerful that Linux GUIs use it as a backend -- you just don't realize it. Hell, the windows GUI is just a front-end to the command-line interface (albeit a very restricted one). You might even find that you do things far faster on the command-line interface than you would in a graphical one. You can activate windows on the command-line, for instance, with one command, short, fast and quick:

slmgr /ipk <product key> && slmgr /ato

Or you can get a hell of a lot of information about your license (output is from my computer):

slmgr /dlv

Output:

And that is just a drop in the bucket compared to all the other commands out there.

I will be honest. I do have an Android, but I also have an iPhone 6S. As both Android and iPhone user, I think that iOS uses me more than I want, because I have to depend on iTunes synch for transfering files back and forth, or jailbreak if I want to remove this limitation. I hate it really, because nothing is easier than copy-paste method, nothing! Second, you are limited to their pre-installed TTS engines. Why I shouldn't use e.g. ESpeak or Eloquence on an iPhone if I like it? Come on, Apple! Don't tell me what's best for me, because I know very well what's best for me as an adult person. Third, why I shouldn't use a Micro SD card? OK it's not a big deal if memory is at least 32-GB, but anyway, come on! And last, from a developer standpoint, for me as a developer it's much cheeper to develope apps for Android, because for iOS I have to buy a Mac, and pay 99 dollars a year to be an iOS developer. For Google, I pay 25 dollars and develope apps forever, on both Windows and Linux, not Mac only. I don't hate Apple, they're awesome for what they are doing for accessibility, but I just hate their policy which is something that even sighted people don't like.