Hello.
I live in Ukraine. A lot of time, I choose the country to move. But I can't decide. Help me please!
In this post I will tell you what I need, also will tell my current conclusions.
I need:
1. A country with a large population;
2. Freedom;
3. No discrimination against people with disabilities;
4. The lack of age restrictions. That is a country where children can communicate freely with adults and adults with children, where children roam freely on the streets, and no kidnappings, murders, etc.;
5. A country where many children;
6. Clean. A little trash and a good ecology;
7. Temperate climate, it can be a little hotter;
8. A country where people work is not the most important thing in life, where material is not more important than the spiritual, family, friends;
9. A lot of things for the blind. Sound lights etc.;
10. The country where people are serious about the work. Good service, good police work, a little corruption and so on.
My conclusions:
Russia:
According to the law, no discrimination against people with disabilities is freedom, but in fact a lot of discrimination, people are bad to each other, there is no freedom, a lot of corruption.
If I does not find the country, then I will go to Russia. Because the mentality is closer to me.
USA:
A good country! There is no discrimination, there is freedom, but I've heard that for people in this country the material above the spiritual, immigrants very much. I heard that in the US, a lot of crime, just kill, etc.
I heard that people in the US don't open that in the US it is very difficult to find good true friends.
I was in the US, but did not fully know this country.
Germany:
Good country, lots of pros, but I've heard a lot of things wrong.
For example, women are very fond of piercings, that in Germany people are not sociable, don't go to each other's homes, which is very difficult to find friends.
In Germany I was surprised by the attitude towards people with disabilities.
England:
Love England because of the books, popular detectives, of course, because of Harry Potter, due to the fact that in England the monarchy, but England has disadvantages.
London is very dirty, people are not sociable.
Please give me advice.
Will notice that is very important to me that people were sociable, and it was possible to find good and loyal friends.
Please, sorry my english!
Thanks in advance!

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This topic, and the USA topic should be murged into one... and I'm not sure how seriously I am supposed to take this, but I will tell you off the bat that according to your conditions, no such country exists that meets all of them. A few, maybe, but not all of them...

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Not necessarily all conditions must be met 100%. At least partially

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Greetings Jonikster.

Assault_freak is right and presently, there is no such country here on earth because man thinks it's okay to hurt man and impose sanctions against man. Such is against the ideology and God given command to walk your way in peace and non-retaliation in all situations and only be loving, kind, merciful and compassionate to all be they true or untrue. Only in heaven is such a thing viable. As for earth, you will have to either find people in your area who think and act that way AKA find a community or build one yourself with said people. For more information, you might like to click on the website in my profile. It is not mine but it explains the philosophy I subscribe to and will help you in your current endeavor.

Kind regards, Amin Abdullah.

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Well, I think that not everything is so critical.
I heard that for example in New Zealand, people are very kind.
If we talk about the United States, then people there are very good, but their work is the most important thing in life.

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Those are all generalizations... you will find kind people in every country, and you will find discrimination in some form or another in any country. In america or at least in Canada, work is definitely not the most important thing in everyone's lives... some, maybe, but you will find other people who work so they can enjoy life even more. Work is not their life and all there is to it.

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7 (edited by Jeffb 2017-05-09 19:35:01)

Sounds like you are seeking a utopia. Good luck with that. Where ever you go there will be some nasty people. That doesn't mean everyone is bad but you do have to watch out for yourself where ever you go. As for people always killing in the US it’s not like everyone here owns a weapon and you have a western shoot out every day at 5. Sure there is crime but where ever you have a large population of people you are going to have crime. There is just no getting around that. I'd suggest you'd change your criteria for where you want to live. If you don't want discrimination you should try somewhere less populated. Finding a lot of things for the blind is also not very realistic because sadly we live in a visual world. Some countries might have more audio cross works, or things to help blind people more than other countries but still the amount of things like that are low. For example I had to fight for years to get an audio cross light near me so I could take the bus to school. It only got in after state officials saw nearly 2 accidents happening at that intersection. What you’re seeking as others said only exists in heaven.

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To be fair, for a developed country, the US has much more crime and gun control issues than other countries like the UK, or Canada, its northern neighbour, though crime exists in those countries as well. Like you said, anywhere there is a big population, crime exists in one form or another.

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9 (edited by TJT1234 2017-05-11 09:51:01)

As others have said, no country is a utopia. However, I will try and compare different countries. Note that I am trying to avoid huge generalisations. For more information, look at the Human Development Index, BBC Country Profiles and Wikivoyage.
1. A country with a large population;
Why do you want this? Generally, countries with medium-sized populations are more "livable". Generally, capital cities and big industrial centres have larger populations, whereas, if you move to a secondary city, the population is a lot less. Compare London (population almost 9 million) and Manchester (population just over 100,000).
2. Freedom;
Most countries in Europe, North America, the Pacific and some countries in Asia have quite relaxed freedom of expression laws.
3. No discrimination against people with disabilities;
This is still a dream. Many more developed countries have very comprehensive legislation against discrimination on the basis of disability, and many countries are taking affirmative action against this.
4. The lack of age restrictions. That is a country where children can communicate freely with adults and adults with children, where children roam freely on the streets, and no kidnappings, murders, etc.;
Another dream. There are generally cities or areas of cities of certain countries that are better or worse than the national average, so choose where you live wisely.
5. A country where many children;
Everywhere. In India, over half of the population is under 35 years of age.
6. Clean. A little trash and a good ecology;
This statement contradicts itself by you saying "clean" and then "a little trash". Generally, more developed countries are cleaner than less developed countries. Ecology varies widely from country to country. For example, there are areas of the United States that are naturally beautiful, e.g. Yellowstone National Park, but there are also areas in India, a less developed country, that are visually beautiful, particularly the mountainous regions, a stark contrast to the more urban areas of India that are loud, dirty and overcrowded.
7. Temperate climate, it can be a little hotter;
North America and Australia are two really good examples of where climate varies with where you live. Sometimes, the temperature being too hot can be extremely uncomfortable or even could lead to the risk of losing your home through fires, so, once again, choose widely.
8. A country where people work is not the most important thing in life, where material is not more important than the spiritual, family, friends;
Parts of the world that are probably better are: North America, South America, some parts of Europe, the Pacific.
9. A lot of things for the blind. Sound lights etc.;
More countries are becoming better at this, even less developed countries. The services vary widely between countries, but the best examples are probably the United States, some European countries, Australia and New Zealand, though other countries are making very fast progress.
10. The country where people are serious about the work. Good service, good police work, a little corruption and so on.
I am very confused about what you mean with this question.

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Tj, good topic with index, though I will note in terms of disability discrimination the uk is not quite as forward as some might think, indeed I was reading a united nations report on the subject published in February of 2017 that stated despite the 2010 disability discrimination act, actually fewer disabled are equal in terms of income, social opportunities, availability of jobs etc.
Again I can find that believable with the culture of austerity and a lot of the portrayal of disabled people as "scroungers" there has been here recently.

Not to say it's as bad as some places, all we have a good transport system with probably better disabled access than some parts of Europe and north America , but perfect it certainly is not.

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Everything's comparative.

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12 (edited by CAE_Jones 2017-05-11 12:17:53)

English tip: You say

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English tip: You say "a little" in some places, when you probably meant just "little". If you say "I prefer a little", it means that you prefer some, instead of none. When you say I prefer little more", it means you prefer none, but can accept a small amount if necessary.
It's a small thing, but it almost reverses the meaning. So when you said "Clean, a little trash", it means that perfectly clean would be bad, whereas, if you had said "clean, little trash", it would mean you want the least amount of trash that is possible.


If you find a country that fits your requirements, please tell us. smile You basically described Heaven, or at least Planet Seva. (Note: this book is out of print.)

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There actually are an unsettling amount of people in the US who believe that work defines you; that is, you are what you do, and everything you are is secondary. It's rather disturbing. Maybe it's just the area I grew up in, I have no idea, but I seem to encounter them on a much more frequent and frustrating basis than I would like. People who turn their noses up at a person who doesn't have a job are pretty common where I come from. However, just like there are cities, or entire countries, where things might subjectively be considered better or worse, it's also true that one person's heaven is another person's hell. The impression I'm getting from this topic, as well as other similar ones posted by the OP in the past, is that you are longing for a place where all your problems would disappear. I suggest, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, although it might not come off that way in text, that you should try to make peace with what you have now. Sit down and really reflect on what it is that you enjoy about your current situation. Even if it is just the simple fact that you have a roof over your head, or that you have people around you who love you, think about what you would miss if you were to leave for this mythical dream place you seek. I guarantee that there would be something, and maybe even more somethings than you currently see at the moment. Now that you've done that, it should be easier to prioritize what you really want, as opposed to that lush green grass you see on the other side of the fence as you sit and pine for things unseen. I think that once you've achieved a balance, or at the very least, made peace with what you currently have, things will be much clearer, and you'll be able to start organizing the logistics of just how you're going to make your situation better.

This is by no means an overnight process. Hell, I'm currently in a stagnant situation that I personally see no way out of. So I do get it, on a primal level. We all want what we can't have. For me, it's more about emotional connections that I've lost, as well as the connections that I do have being strained and unsupportive, which manifest themselves as a need to flee RIGHT NOW! But for some reason I'm still here, and there's a reason you're still where you are too. Perhaps, by me taking the time to write out this long post, we can all make sense of the things that bother us, at least in some way that helps us get through the day.

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I believe that the United States is very suitable for me. But I am confused by the following facts:
1. Americans easily treat friends. Americans easily drop their friends and find new ones. I want a good relationship between friends for a long time.
2. Americans think that work is more important than anything else.
TJT1234, I agree with you about the population!
Guys, still, help with advice! Among us, many are blind, among us there are residents of Australia, the USA, Canada.
I live in Ukraine, and in the next countries there is a lot of discrimination. I believe that the USA can approach me, but I am afraid for those facts, which I mentioned earlier.

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The USA is a country in which there are 50 states and the District of Columbia. I think that there are states where there is not that, about what I spoke above. But I doubt it.
From childhood, I was in love with 3 countries. USA, England and Russia.
USA for the fact that many people live in houses in nature, for freedom, for lack of discrimination!
England for detectives, for what I learned about her from the books of Agatha Christie and other detectives, from Harry Potter. I love the history of England, namely knights and kings!
I like Russia most of all. For the fact that I have a Russian soul, for the history of Russia, for princes, kings, impirators, for the Soviet Union! The Soviet Union for people was very similar to what is now in the US in that people were kind to each other, it was clean, it was good. Now in Russia, discrimination, lack of freedom!

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Oh no no no no. If you think the Soviet Union and the US were alike, then you need to check the history of both countries again... there is definitely discrimination in both, and both are far from total freedom and lack of discrimination. Again, there is no such country.

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You do not understand. I said that the attitude of people to each other in the USSR was similar to what is now in the US

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Sorry if I misunderstood. But from what I know, even the USSR was not very like the US in terms of attitude and the way people treated each other. At least, not on the international level...

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@Turtlepower, thumbs up for a great post. I will say myself that while my own cultural alienation in Britain is still evident, I am far less bothered by it simply because I'm now married t and living with my best friend, who ironically says the same thing about America.

Actually I have noticed the best times in my life in terms of acceptance have been around small institutions or communities, not hole countries at all, eg, when I was at university as an undergraduate, or when I go to music school each summer, or when I have been involved in a stage production.

indeed ultimately I'd say it's a matter of finding a community of accepting people wherever you are that is the problem, which is a pretty country independent thing, or rather each country has it's own cultural set of collective assumptions, (though increasingly with western multinational capitalism the collectives are one), and it's only by finding a small group insulated from that that you will actually get ahead. Of course finding such a group is the problem, indeed I do recall someone saying university is unlike any other environment being as you have a lot of people together who drop their cultural assumptions, then pick them up again when they go into the rat race and start concentrating on accumulating cash, accumulating status,  or accumulating offspring, all of which are pretty much things which in western culture  disabled people generally and blind people in particular are barred from.

Moral of the story, the world is bloody awful wherever you go so find someone nice to be with and tell the world to go jump in a lake!

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Greetings.

It isn't the country or place or space where you currently reside or indeed where you wish to reside; more important are those who you fellowship with. If you want change, let the first change come from you; then the rest will follow. Become a dar es salaam AKA haven of peace and eventually, you'll be surrounded with like-minded people. Surround yourself with light workers AKA those who make you happy; they can be found in any and every country, city, state, town and any place you care to name. For more information, go to the website in my profile.

Kind regards, Amin Abdullah.

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Jonikster, it really seems to me that you are thinking about countries very broadly. You believe that Country X is like this, Country Y is like that, when in reality, that's not the case. The people in the country define what it is. For example, in Australia, because we have so many immigrants from all around the world, we are extremely accepting of immigrants. You probably wouldn't find this sort of attitude in a tiny country town of some European countries, but if you went into larger cities there, you probably would find a more accepting attitude.

The things that you say about Americans liking work more than play and them leaving their friends are enormous generalisations. As I've said, without work, you can't have money, which means you can't appreciate the material things in life, and that's why work is important, but I would say that opinions vary from person to person. And I can't think where you got that fact about them leaving their friends easily.

So, here are my suggestions:
1. Leave this topic for a few years. I think you said a few months ago that you were still in school. Wait until you finish school and then think about this again. Maybe you won't even want to move. Perhaps you could become a disability rights activist in Ukraine.
2. If you want to move, think beyond the stereotypes and generalisations that you only see now. Write to the immigration departments of countries that you are interested in and ask them for their views on the country. And here's a tip: write to government departments because they are obligated to give you bias-free information.
3. Once you decide what country you want to move to, choose a location to live very carefully. Ask yourself these questions: Will I be able to get a good enough job? Are there people with whom I can become friendly? Can I get around independently?, etc.

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TJT1234, you are in many ways right. But:
1. About Ukraine, in any case I will leave Ukraine. Because I feel that this country is foreign to me.
Later you can not think about moving, because you need to know everything in advance. To have time to learn the language, and some other preparatory processes.
2. There is no point in writing to immigration departments, because information about immigration to any country can be read on the Internet.
3. Besides work, I'm interested in studying. But I could work part-time in Colifornia. But to move to Colifornia, you need:
1. To have a lot of money;
2. Be confident that my choice is USA.
I will explain in more detail the reason for my relocation.
I do not have enough opportunities in Ukraine and Russia. If I want to work in a profession that I really like, then with job placement because of disability. They say that they do not need a person with disabilities. When I applied to the United States, I was told that I could work for them.
I agree that there is no ideal life anywhere, but I want to live without suffering, to live truly!

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Jonikster, you can't say that you can just read about countries on the Internet, because the Internet is rife with opinions and biases that will lead to you not having a true picture of what a country is like. For example, let's say you read about some country that you want to go to, and there are a lot of positive things written about that country on websites by people who live there or went on vacation there, etc. You can't say,

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Another question, Jonikster: why California? You could probably find much cheaper living somewhere else where there are less billionaires. Massachusetts has the best colleges.

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