@Andy93: One WHO wants you to change just so he can be happy doesn't love you as you are, not sure how you can think that's even close to true. But thanks for the laugh
As for the rest of what you've said, I'm afraid you're more or less too far out to really reason with, but good luck to you.

@AlexN: Well, the thing is, you might  have a wrong concept of what really love is. God loves us so much that, in order for us not to perish, he had to send his sun to suffer the unbearable for us. So, deos that mean the father didn't loved him because he just sent him here to preach, and then to suffer? the answer to that is, of course not. For he is my beloved sun, the father said.
As humans contaminated by sin, we deserve nothing but death, eternal condemnation as it is written in the book of Romans. Now notice I said we, not you, because  I'm also a man who needed the salvation that God offers through Christ. However God payd a price sending Jesus to this earth, to suffer and die for you and for me on a cross, putting our sin on his shoulders, so we who are condemned sinners who do not  deserve anything but eternal death and separation from God, can receive salvation only by his  grace, and our lives get changed completely. Isn't this love? what bigger love is this one, that he showed for you and for me! And so, i fhe loves  me so much why he has to change me? why can't he just accept me as I am? the answer is simple: Because God is holy, he does not tolerates sin. So in order for us to be saved and see his glory, and have a perfect fellowship with God, it is necessary that our lives change and we, as Jonh chapter 3 verse 3 says, be born again to be able to see God. Otherwise no one can see him, because he is holy and we aren't.
@Simba: K man, that was your choice. your choice is to reject God, however he still wants you to come and accept him as your saviour. Its all up to you, however the choice you make will have its consequence

hey andy93 why does god act so much like an abusive parent? Nobody who truly loves you would send you to permanent punishment for all eternity because they didn't do what you want. I highly doubt that the Christian god should be taken literally as you describe. Ideals like that push extreme Christians away from the rest of the population.

I've never understood how a benevolent being could be so aggressive, mean and nasty. Unless he's a reflection of something else.

But... he punishes you severely for not being exposed to him. Even unbaptized babies and people born before Jesus are believed in some way to go to hell.

Considering that he's the creator of everything, I don't really buy the argument that he's trying to protect you from hell. If he is both benevolent and trying to protect you from hell, he cannot by definition be omnipotent. If he was, he would have created hell by definition, and sends people to there who do not open their hearts to him, which is an extremely malevolent move.

You can assert all you want but it appears that you are not really addressing the core problems. If that's fine by you, that's fine by you, but you won't win me over as a convert. I'm skeptical by nature and honestly, if God had enough compelling evidence to believe in his existence, I would; however, as time goes on, we are constantly filling the gaps that we once assigned to God through science and philosophy. Unfortunately, vague threats delivered by people claiming to channel God in an indirect way is not sufficient evidence.

You assert that because he is holy that he is free of sin, and yet he sends unbaptized children and people born before Jesus Christ to hell. What, because of Adam and Eve? That's even worse - punishing people for something they had no control over. Perhaps God's sense of morality is different than mine, but that only demonstrates that God's morality is subjective, and therefore to assert he is free of sin is incorrect. Sin is an entity that is capable of committing immoral acts, but if morality is subjective, then sin is also subjective; and I believe that only a sinful deity would commit such a heinous act against his own creation.

Your second claim is a false analogy. Few parents, outside of the most horrible and evil, would ever send their child to a place of eternal damnation (or even anything roughly equivalent) because they refused to listen to them. After all, it could be that the parents are wrong and they aren't aware of the fact that they are wrong. Since God's morality is subjective, it is possible too that God is not aware of what he is doing is wrong. All of this conflicts with the idea that God is omnipotent or omniscient.

In fact, parents usually try to dissuade children from doing "bad things" because it will affect them negatively in the future with no fault of the parents. For example, if a child gets addicted to drugs, the torment caused by that is not caused by the parents. However, God literally sends people to hell if they do not obey. Furthermore, there is little evidence to suggest that those who do not follow God are actually hurting themselves because they refuse to believe in God. Many atheists live bountiful, successful lives without believing in God, so why should someone believe in God?

Ultimately, all you're doing is closing yourself off to philosophical discussion over morality and how to live one's life by simply asserting that the Christian god is the answer. I have no reason to accept your assertion though, since there's a lot of flaws with it.

The sad thing in all of this - a literal interpretation of God closes you off to the allegories contained in the Bible. I genuinely don't believe the Bible was meant to be taken literally. It has many consistency issues that highlight this fact, which indicates it's a form of interpretive literature, as it should be.

Fun tidbit - it's unlikely that on a fundamental level we have any free will at all. However, because our minds are so far abstracted from the very technical chemical reactions that form our brains, it can be treated as almost equivalent to free will, in the sense that a RNG isn't truly random but it produces acceptable random results. This can be easily demonstrated with using medications that affect someone's state of mind, such as drugs used to treat psychotic people.

Too long didn't read: Why did god give us the ability to think for ourselves if he punishes us for doing so? God targets skeptics, not sinners. So why should me, a skeptic, believe in him?

I'll try to control myself, because this is the kind of thing that really annoys me.
The problem with our world in general, and more rescently with religious people is that we, the people, or they, the religious ones, care too much about what others do, their way of thinking, of living etc.
Why can't we just accept how x or y is?
if x and y are gay or lesbians, and want to marry, why should someone care, or try to stop them? if they want to adopt a kid, who are us to say no?
They are just people like us, damnit, people like us trying to live, to feel love, to give love, to be happy, to have a family, and why say no because? god? oh please, that's just patetic.
by the way they talk, ( the religious people), even the ones from the forum, god is a freaking bastard that will only accept you if you follow his way, one step out of the line and there yo go, hell for you my son, i love you with all my godly heart but i can't accept you because you're a boy and married another boy, slept with another boy...honestly that makes me laugh.
If that's how god is, i'm honestly better without him.

You know what is sad is there used to be more blind/disabled people who were religious. What the heck happened hear. Wow even hear among the blind I see the blind who are christians get shot down by stupid little atheists who don't even want to look at religion. Wow this truly makes me sad. What monster have I created. So my question is this is it just better if I leave the forum all together.

OK OK, it seems that I have to clarify a few points here.
@herstseth: Calm down, my brother. Those of us who decided to commit ourselves to Christ, according to God's word, have to be ready to defend our faith, ready to be mistreated and insulted for what wwe believe, ready to  give reason about our hope. That's what I'm doing right now, and there's no need to give them names like freakin little stupid atheists, remember we do not, and cannot act the same way as them. Keep your cool, God knows that each person  will be responsible in God's presence for what they've said till now, unless they repent; Oh and, remember that ours is not a simple dead religion, Christianity isn't a religion but a lifestile.
@Daigonite: Hang onn a sec, hang onn. I've never said, nor the bible does, that unbaptized children will go to hell, or people before Christ; Lets explain this point: The bible says that the kingdom of heaven belongs to the little ones, the kids, therefore its anti biblical to say that if a kid dies and was not baptized will go to hell. Plus, saying that a kid should be baptized is antibiblical itself because, when you  descend to the waters and get baptized, you are giving public testimony of your new life in Christ, as a responsible adult.
If a small child dies today he's sertainly in his way to  meet with the Lord, because although all human raze is contaminated with the sin, a child is not yet responsible for his actions. Its different if we talk about people who already knows what's  good and what's not, and again here comes the free will and the choices of everybody. An adult cannot be responsible for a child, for it is up to everybody to  make a decision for Christ.
Now, for those pro gay people who were saying: who cares about how do I want to live, or someone else? And this goes as well for those of you who are calling God a bastard and names like that: And who are you to argue with God? heck, even who I am to argue with God and his will? who are we, small men and women, to tell God what or what not to do? Its time for everybody to remember that he created you and me, not ourselves to ourselves. Psalms 100

That's not discrimination jeff, that's truth. I have no problem on  having some kind of friendship with homosexual people, but they will always hear from me what the word of God says.
Discriminating will be, uh, those gay people they are going right to hell, I don't care. That is, indeed, discrimination

ok so i'll try to don't sound sarcastic...but i have a question.
if gay or lesbian relationships would be wrong and somehow send us to hell, wouldn't god, the all powerful, loving entity that he suposedly is, stop people from thinking, wanting, living like this?
or he would just allow us to go to hell, because that's not certainly how i expect a good, loving, caring god to be with the ones he created.

@Jeff: the light is Jesus, its me whose praying that you see the light one day. In fact there's something you don't know, I once had a couple of friends who are homosexual, and although I do not agree with their way of living and always when  have opportunity talk to them about God's love, we are still talking.
@almeida: God is not stopping you from doing that and going to hell, because they created men with something you guys like to mention a lot every time we talk about this. Free will

Mmm, but do we *really* have free will? That's a great question. You know, Vsauce made an episode of Mind Field about that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmI7NnMqwLQ
This 40ish minute clip from BBC (I think) was pretty interesting too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkjvWzJ2e3Q
Well worth the listen.