@Grryfindore and Exodus

Both of you are perfect examples of why I don't want to be a part of the NVDA user's community. Sure, there are a lot of software pirates that also pirate Windows, the same is true for the macOS. The difference is that most of those people don't go around telling everyone to steal the software they need. I've only seen this behavior among NVDA user's. I first encountered it a while back when I pointed out that what they were doing was software piracy, the response I got was that they didn't care.

Even audiogames.net doesn't seem to care. Every other forum I frequent would delete such messages as the ones you two have posted and warned you not to do it again or be permanently banned. Yet the moderators here turn a deaf ear to it and let it pass. When I saw someone offer to give someone else a copy of a licensed version of Pure Basic, I reported it because I thought audiogames.net didn't support software piracy, the response I got from Dark was that it wasn't hurting anybody!

And then people here complain and wonder about the lack of high quality games! It wouldn't take long for any software developer who visits here to become aware of the willingness of people here to steal software.

Considering that you people are just going to steal it, why should Nuance spend money and resources updating Eloquence?

I myself am working on two games, but you'll never see them here, I'm not stupid enough to offer my games to people I know will just steal them.

To be honest, I'm surprised there are any developers here that want to sell their games when it's so obvious that they'll just get pirated. But then again the ground is littered with lots of close game developers and abandoned games, I guess now we know why, it's hard to stay in business when your products just get stolen.

@exodus, +1 again.

Figment, I don't know about that, I'm a windows user and according to you if I "steel" then I indeed do encourage others to dam well do so, you quitting windows anytime soon?
ahh wait, I also use a mac.

I would encourage you to read what I have written about pirating of software and such in reply to your oh so amusing post.
More often than not, I try my best to support software developers,specially game developers.
if a software on IOS for example has access built into it, or if not and the developer puts in effort and his time to build in the missing access to voiceover and so on, I tend to support that developer with a purchase or spreading around the word about it wherever I can, or with inapp purchases even if I don't make use of those
It is the huge corporations I refuse to waste my cash on, more so if that software hasn't been updated in ages,there hasn't been  a single word about from them about the software in question for years and years case in point, nuance or if its abandon, is not easily purchased or no way to purchase, and yes that last one discludes not being able to afford something.

Did I say, I also use ios?

I guess that only leaves android,but from what I heare, those users of androids are oh so naughty naughty children encouraging piracy,steeling and god knows what else.

At figment, noone has posted links to pirated software on this topic nor have they asked for any software, so no harm done. They only time i would ban someone is if they made links available on a topic in question. What people do off the forum is up to them, it's not like we can control people's habits by simply banning them.

I would just say oh well, i wasted two weeks, then i would quit, and find another job that paid money. but before i found the other jobb that actually paid i would put on my resume that i did volunteer work for that other boss that did not pay me. so in a way that boss did not pay me in money, but the job that did not pay me in money paid me in more experience instead. money is not everything.

at exodus, i agree with you complete. its not stealing, at most its just a bit dishonest that is all.

i wish someone would make a sapiBridge utility that would let us use any sapi4 voice as if it was a sapi5 voice. then we could use viavoice outloud or eloquence sapi4 as if it were sapi5.

at exidus, do you think you or anyone else could make a sapiBridge utility for windows with a small gui that will let us assign sapi4 voices to sapi5 and use sapi4 voices as if they were sapi5 voices? International tts from baum does this but if you try to use your sapi4 voice as a sapi5 voice outside of virgo or cobra you get a stupid watermark saying this voice is intended for use with cobra and virgo only and your once free sapi4 voice becomes unuseable as a sapi5 voice. stupid.

At josh. In future, could you perhaps edit your posts, and condense them down in to 1 post? While we don't have a rule against double-posting anymore, you have about 6 or 7 posts in a row. Just a friendly suggestion.

I do also support developers whenever possible; however I do not support Code Factory because even their demo doesn't work on my computer, so how can I pay the $70 or so and not even have what I paid for? I do think that NVDA users occasionally do pirate software--I'm thinking of the free Eloquence add-ons (definitely illegal; people even received letters from Nuance asking them to stop pirating it and the people refused to comply with that request) and the add-on for the Apple Alex voice (and yes, I do know that Alex doesn't work properly, but it does make some sounds, so it is indeed also pirated).

Congratulations! You are a thief and a criminal! Not being able to afford it isn't a valid reason to steal it. Instead of stealing JAWS, use NVDA.

I agree that it's unfortunate that Nuance doesn't actively maintain Eloquence, but that they don't doesn't give you or anybody else the right to steal their software.

Have you ever considered that the reason Eloquence seems to have bugs is because your copy of it is stolen? JAWS uses it and it works without any problems for me. The Code Factory version works equally as well too.

You might have better performance and fewer issues if you used legitimate copies instead of hacked and stolen ones. That's one disadvantage of pirated software, you don't really know what you are getting. Pirated software is the number one way viruses and other malware is distributed. Personally, I think, you are getting what you deserve, if you use it!

@Arqmeister

No, nobody has posted links but in that thread about Pure Basic I saw a while back, one member offered to give another member a copy of a pirated version of Pure Basic, and Dark ignored it. Plus there have been a number of people who have admitted that they use pirated software. Considering that there are software developers here, I'm surprised. The other software development forums I frequent don't tolerate any hints of using pirated software. You can discuss software piracy all you want, but as soon as you show any hint or indication that you participate in it, you are permanently banned.

I myself wouldn't even bother with audiogames.net except with as lax as they are about software piracy, I don't consider it a serious software development discussion group. This place is more like the Steam User's Forums, except they don't tolerate any mention of using pirated software.

I have said my two cents worth. Post anything you like, I won't see it because I will ignore this thread from now on.

First, @Josh: Arq is right, please condense those posts. Eight or so posts gets really time consuming. Second, the watermark doesn't seem to apply if using nvda. I've only seen it in speech properties. Even so, they kinda left it open, so no offense, but it is Baum's own fault that the flaw exists. I'm not trying to trash Baum, but since they didn't actually lock International Tts inside Cobra or Vergo, it is going to be easily used. Gene: Not everyone pirates with no shame. The hard rule against cracking applies especially to games, but that doesn't mean software piracy can just float around. Some time ago, a post was made asking for a crack to Adobe Audition, or a similar product. Guess what, post removed, warning given out. I respect the rights of most software developers. Note the word, most, and also note that there is not a long list of devs that I actually don't respect the rights of. All games developers have my full repsect, as do most software devs. Here's the scoop with Nuance. They do not, in my opinion, fall under the category of software developer, more so antitrust monopolizer. They have done nothing of their own creation, whatsoever. They merely modified the original realspeak voices, acquired 15+ companies in the last decade, which, by the way, they did not give the companies the right to refuse acquisition. That's not to say that they're the only corporation that does this, but it's been a repeating pattern. In fact, one of their major acquisitions of Royal Philips Electronics led them into antitrust investigation, but it doesn't look like that went very far. Long and short of it is that all they do is incorporate others' speech technology into their mass engine, with no originality. Until recently, they have left customers high and dry with screen-reader bound versions of their engines with strong drm, especially on the free screen readers. Therefore, I have no respect for them and want people to know that. That, however, is not my attitude towards other devs. There needs to be reasons for me to have this much hatred, and this is the only dev that I actually express this kind of feeling toward. Put simply, if the speech industry becomes a monopoly, we're screwed. The war isn't over until either Nuance's monopoly completes, or salvation comes in a random event that causes Nuance to go bankrupt.

yes... i use jaws maybe 20 percent of the time to OCR inaccessible pdfs as a backup screen reader if NVDA is not meeting my needs in a certain app, to use windows10 touch or universal apps, or if certain websites don't work with NVDA in windows10. I mostly use NVDA with cracked eloquence. if international tts did not have that watermark and let us use it within audio games and in any app we wanted i would not have asked mike to see if he could code his own version of it without the watermark. and the main reason i want a sapi bridge is so i can use sapi4 eloquence as a sapi5 voice a quickly loading and stable sapi5 voice and to have access to sapi4 control panel so i can further customise the voices.