2017-02-15 01:48:53

turtlepower17 wrote:

did the person who attempted suicide do so because of the stress of the program, preexisting issues, or a combination of the two? I would like to ask how that was handled by the staff, but you can't really answer that with a yes or no, so I suppose I can't.

Preexisting issues, but also they didn't feel like they were getting along with anyone, and I'd be lying if I didn't say I thought stress from the training played a role. Not to reveal too much, but this person went blind very quickly, and the way they describe it, the change in how others acted toward them was dramatic. Also, let's be honest--the students come from a variety of backgrounds and often wind up defaulting into little 2-5 person cliques, people arrive with different attitudes and levels of skill, etc. As I said, I like the social landscape at LCB better than any other gathering of blind people I can think of (although the first time I went to that summer thing might be worth reevaluating...), but that does not mean there aren't jerks snobs and condescenders from time to time. I don't know enough specifics to say much else about what exactly led up to the incident.
I don't know what to say about how the staff handled it, other than that it was not really spoken of openly. I only heard rumors, until the student in question told everyone during either announcements or seminar. I'm a bit torn on this. On the one hand, I remember someone bringing up how someone at WSB successfully committed suicide, and how the staff acknowledged that there was a tragic death but tiptoed around the issue, and I'm still not sure how open anyone would have been at LCB had the attempt been successful. I want to think they'd've acknowledged what happened had it come to that (and I can't imagine people not asking if it was brought up), but I really can't say. On the other hand, it's a pretty personal thing, so when is it OK to talk about it?


turtlepower17 wrote:

is it really acceptable for someone to get hit by a car, all in the name of independence? That's...a pretty tall order if you ask me. I think I need to ponder this some more, because clearly, these programs wouldn't exist at all if these were regular occurrences, or if the parties involved hadn't accepted it somehow.

The person who got away with a week of backpain was/is very determined to see it through. It did have a negative impact on their confidence, which is completely understandable! Yet just yesterday they were asking me for suggestions on where to do their out-of-town assignment. And I'm already giving out way too much information, but I can confidently say that this person does not like the risk one bit, and yet had determined by then that the training was worth it.
The person who needed surgery hasn't come back yet, if they plan to at all. I don't know how mobile they are, or anything; the last I heard is that the surgery went well and they were back at home recuperating, and that was months ago.
The person who broke their hip will probably come back, but their physical therapy for adjusting to the replacement is taking way longer than expected.
The person who went through the freakishly specific accident came back and graduated; they took several days to recover after being released from the hospital, but they were at their LCB apartment while doing so.
The person who's situation I'm unsure of stayed on and ultimately graduated. I think they were off the crutches or whathaveyou in the last couple weeks or so, but I could be misremembering. IIRC, they still had 3-4 months to go when I arrived.

Oh, I should add that the first person I mentioned in this post was not at all at fault. The driver sped around a corner, saw the pedestrian, hit them and kept driving as though nothing happened. Someone who knew the driver was apparently at the intersection at the same time and saw all this. Several witnesses. It'd've been an open-and-shut hit-and-run case, if they'd wanted to press charges (they did not). I'm not sure vision would have made any difference in that case.
The specific one I've stayed vague about would definitely have been avoided had the sleepshades been off. I don't know about the others.

I don't really know how to evaluate the risk. I know that traffic accidents kill lots and lots of people, but people drive anyway, because it's just too convenient. While this small sample tells me that the risk of injury for a blind person in training is much higher, it's worth noting that most wrecks involve inexperienced and distracted drivers. It's a choice between an increased risk of injury, and increased freedom to go where you want when you want. If one decides the gains aren't enough to be worth the risk, well, "live the life you want" wink. That could be because the person's skills are good enough that they expect they can make up the difference with less risk on their own, or it could be because they spend most of their time in places with excellent 24 hour transit services (and don't want to leave, ever), or it could be that they conclude that the risks are too high and the benefits too low regardless. Let it never be said that everyone who graduates from LCB is Matt Murdock.

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2017-02-15 10:53:29

Wow cae_jones. Thanks a ton for your awesome and fantastic reply. This gives me a much better idea on all the differences between the US and Europe.
I know you won't like my first recommendation, but here goes:
When living in such difficult place without much public transportation and many streets where you quickly can be lost, it is very important to learn slowly to talk to strangers and ask for help when needed. Yes, I know how difficult it can be to talk to strangers. But after you have had a few success on doing that, meeting nice people who have helped you finding what you need, you'll slowly realize that people are nice and friendly, and they are glad to help where ever they can. It sounds like, from your description, that this is needed because you're living in an area where it's quite difficult to navigate around as a blind person. If there are a lot of people walking around in the area, why not use that to your advantage?
2: My next suggestion is to get a lot of mobility training. As much as even possible. Learn to follow the streets, learn to cross streets where it's possible, try to get a picture of your area and how the streets goes around you, so you don't get lost that easily. Start by a small area, and slowly learn some more. Always use what you have learned previously as your starting point so you know where you are, and take one new street at the time. If you do it in this way, you'll increase your picture of the area and combine this with the new streets and new areas, making the picture bigger and bigger. If you can do that, you'll slowly start to combine the roots you have learned, and start to make your own roots, because you are starting to get a picture of the area.
You might find apps like Blindsquare very helpful to know what's around you. This app is simply fantastic. You might also find apps which can help you regarding to public transportations.
You might also consider getting a guide dog in the future. However, a guide dog requires that you know where you are, and you can navigate around. In other words: If you get lost and confused, the dog will do the same and make the situration even more worse.
My suggestions takes a ton of practise and takes long time to learn. I have lived at my own place for like 7 years, and I'm still learning. It might take 1 or 2 years. People learn differently. It sounds like you're very much visually orientated, which is a really great thing regarding to orientation and mobility skills.
It takes a while but it's very much worth it. Don't give up but give it a try. You'll be much more happy if you can reach just some of my suggestions. I know you can do it...

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2017-02-17 23:16:58

Regarding SLJ's suggestions of walking up to strangers and asking for help, I wonder if part of the problem is that Americans have such a different cultural view of that. As a culture, I think we don't really engage with people as freely or easily as those in other countries may do. Maybe it's that we want to appear confident, and to us, asking for help shows weakness? Example. Four blind people were walking down a line of stores looking for the bagel shop. Three were American, and the fourth was from Oman, a middle eastern country. We weren't sure exactly which door we needed. We picked the one we thought was correct. We were dithering about, deciding whether or not we should go in. Our middle-eastern friend pulls open the door, marches inside, and demands of the room in general, "Hello, is this bagels? We are looking for bagels." He comes marching back outside and informs his three dumbfounded friends that bagels is the next one down. I could never see myself doing that. I think it's a self-conscious hangup about looking like a complete idiot. We're tough Americans. We don't ask for help. *sarcasm.* I'm fortunate enough to live in a city with lots of sidewalks, a grid system of addresses that makes sense, a few audible traffic lights, and good public and paratransit. It's even a small city to boot! This gives me the freedom to rely on myself more than if I was living in my home town which is the opposite of all those things.
As for mobility, that came standard for me in school. I guess the school system paid for it. When I moved out here after college, voc rehab paid for me to have orientation to the city. my boyfriend is starting a job tech training program next month in another city down the road, and his voc rehab is paying for a couple lessons so he can learn what he needs to. You can also pay out of your own pocket for private lessons. Keep in mind that the individual states have their own laws, and services vary widely from state to state. North Carolina voc rehab gave me a limit on the amount of total hours I could work with a mobility specialist. Colorado voc rehab didn't. The services also vary from city to city within a state, so there isn't a whole lot of standardization when it comes to this type of thing.

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