Wow this is great! I'll deffinately give this a go, and I especially look forward to the fixes regarding scroll identification as well as the new stuff that's been added to the game.

As to winlulx, actually it will, or at least should display graphics, though since most vi players likely won't use the graphic options anyway that probably won't matter, indeed it's possible that the graphics menue at least isn't accessible (it'll depend upon text labeling), but as that's optional it doesn't really make a difference anyway.

It's actually possible that someone here could assist with sfx for the game, since people do tend to have sound archives, so it might be worth asking around or starting a new topic specifically looking for a sound designer.

Btw, and I just updated the db page for Kerkerkruip with the last! versions changes, ---- give me more! work to do why don't you .

Edit: okay, it's confirmed, yes the graphics do display with winglulx, however they are indeed completely inaccessible with screen readers, still, not to worry.

One thing however, is it possible to turn off the inventory and listing of powers displayed to the sides of the main game window? when reading with a screen reader the main text of the game isn't really distinguished from these so you end up reading descriptions like:

"the entrance hall, the light here is too bright powers for human eyes to see you don't have any" etc.

Since status, inventory etc are free actions checking that information directly during the game isn't going to be a problem, and likely for screen reader users it's better to have the clear interface if at all possible.

Thanks Danni, that's good to know, I really should've checked the help for that, I sort of assumed that if an option like that existed it'd be in the options menue not in the game  itself,  the moral of this story, is check help sections even when you think you've already read them .

Well I've spent some time with the game, and I rather like some of the new items.

Just a couple of questions. Firstly, where do I find an explanation of this blood magic thing mentioned in the updates? I've read several sections of the help menue, but I don't seem to be able to find where that is explained so haven't been able to try it yet.

Secondly, how do I use unguentums on weapons? I've tried rub, apply, use on etc, but nothing seems to work, (and I c&p'd the name of the unguentum just to make sure it was right).

Other than that I'm likineg the game thus far, indeed it's quite significant that I've died three times trying to do in malygris on novice, since it means that the changes make a difference (last time malygris actually killed me himself after I'd gone through all the other monsters in the dungeon, though I suppose I really should've used more ment).

I'm also interested to see what these trading cards and special achievements are like (I do rather like the idea of a romantic ending, and if it involves miranda, I'd be glad since I always feel a little bit bguilty about slaying her), though this does presume your character is male of course, something which up to now I've not actually been certain of.

Well now I do feel a bit of a dope for not trying "put" I just assumed that since examining the unguentums told you it could be rubbed on weapons, "rub" or something like it was the verb needed.

I'll see if I find anything to use blood magic on this time, likewise with the trading cards (since even though I've slane several monsters I don't seem to have any, trophies just works in the old way telling me what I've killed), though I was hoping for a little more information on the monsters since the habbits and details of the dayly lives of mind slugs etc could be rather fun to read and make collecting the trading cards an interesting challenge.

I actually really liked the system in Angband (the only roguelike I've found playable due to some very large graphic tyle sets), where the the more you encounter a specific monster over successive games, the more information you get, even over lost games, though admittedly Angband's elemental weakness system can get a little heavy for my taste so that extra info was a bit specific.

Speaking of monsters, now that they seem to be working I really enjoyed the battel against the priests of aight. Perhaps, since two or three of them get used every game  you could considder some more level 1 and 2 monsters to add in to the mix and make things more random, --- maybe for instance a level 2 group enemy made of three or four weaker monsters, or a weak monster with a special effect that caused occasional extra damage, such as a small dragon with a breath attack.

Lol Bladestorm, if you read the start of this topic you'll see you did exactly as I did regarding the pannels and had precisely the same issue .

I'm not sure on the unguentum there Victor, since I copied and pasted the names directly to prevent spelling errors, (sometimes I really miss Eamon's shortened names system), so goodness knows.

I'll try put in future however.

As regards monsters, I've pretty much seen all of the higher level ones but not all of the lower level ones for some odd reason, indeed I believe I've seen more different level 2 monsters than level 1 monsters. Perhaps some more might be fun, especially considdering that during the game you always encounter more lower level than higher level enemies.

Ah, my mistake I haven't seen more level 2 monsters than one, some of the level 1 monsters I thought were actually two.

in fairness this does mean I haven't quite seen all the monsters yet, but of course more would be appreciated anyway, though i do realize that Kerkerkruip's format with specific levels of creatures in the dungeon does mean there is a natural limit to what you encounter.

Well a class system is an interesting idea for kerkerkruip particularly, though I personally would prefer to keep malygris as the main villain just for the story continuity of the game, ---- after all armed with that magical dagger he has he can always drain strength from warriors or even transform himself into a buffer form to take on wizards.

the only trouble I see with a class system is that Kerkerkruip doesn't really have a standard levelling and experience system the way most games do, ---- well while you increase your stats from fighting monsters, you have to defeat the right! mosnters, indeed fighting a bunch of level 0 enemies will do you no good at all. This means that unless the game was completely redesigned with how you gain powers and increase stats, classes couldn't follow class paths. You couldn't for instance level up your warrior and learn a higher level skill, or get further magical spells for your wizard.

The only way I could imagine classes working is by having different increases given by different monsters to different classes, but even then since you'd still have the problem of which monster to defeat when how much this would actually change the stratogy I am not sure. Plus, given that unlike most roguelikes not all items will appear in Kerkerkruip limiting classes on item use could potentially give you an unwinnable game.

As regards exploration, I've noticed the extra tunnels, but since all monsters are set you are fairly limited in what you find. Myself, I'd love to see something with full exploration where you don't know whether rounding a corner will ram you into a bunch of goblins or a dragon, and where you actually need to go and considder calculated risks of the environment as you fight your way through various monsters.
Exploration would also give more scope to classes, since factors such as detection, ie, whether a monster gets to surprise you and who gets first hit in combat, fleeing (something which is automatic in Kerkerkruip but need not be in other games), trap encounters, self healing, light sources etc could all play a part.

i remember the gathering of gems for stat increases and the adventure scenario in idols of war, that was a nice idea indeed, but again, likely needs a different setting from kerkerkruip, indeed I'd love to see some of the random environmental effects from kerkerkruip in a more randomized dungeon setting.

it's actually a shame the author of chronicles of arborell couldn't program the torchlight randomly enerating gamebook into a game, since the ideas there were incredibly unique, you rolled to see the basic geometry of the passage which gave you a description such as:

"this is a dark intersection with a turn to the right and a floor carpited with bones and dust"

Then rolled for a random environmental affect, which could be anything from nothing, to poison gas making going that way impossible, to monoliths that nullified magic, or even a danger to cross such as a pit to jump (if you had a rope), or a narrow space making combat there difficult.

finally, you rolled for a monster, or maybe a treasure item item (some monsters could initiate a roll for treasure if you defeated them), (which might be a trap, and since each room didn't necessarily hold all of these and since you found the rooms at random you had a lot of variation.

The only problem with torchlight is you need to physically sit there, draw up your own charsheet and use dice, which also limited the complexity of the system, ---- combat is the basic gamebook style, but given some programming I could imagine a similar system working exceptionally well, particularly given some of the great effects and combat mechanics we've seen in Kerkerkruip.