I've heard of this one before, but wasn't certain if it was a full on rpg or not. With the limited parza though it certainly sounds my type of thing, and I'll certainly have a look at it when I have time, and likely give it a db entry as well if indeed it is a full on text rpg rather than standard, puzzle type if.

I've got a 404 error too.

It would actually be more helpful to get a correct website for the game than to just keep hosting on dropbox. I've checked baf's guide, but the page for it on http://www.wurb.com/if/game/3101 lists it as a demo, so I presume it's not the full version if the game has been made freeware.

While dropbox hosting is helpful, I do sometimes wish people would try to find the developers' own sites for things rather than instantly bang things up themselves.

So while the hosting is appreciated seria, for actually maintaining the db and for people like myself who wouldn't mind reading about the game, actually finding a propper page for it would be helpful i think.

Thanks trentan, the writeup looks pretty cool. Unfortunately the webpage link on baf's was also broken.

Methinks I'll definitely have to try this one out.

Hi.
winfrots tts doesn't seem to be working. the download page doens't work.
but the homepage does but if you try to download it and run the program from the start menu you will get an error.
could someone help me?
this game seems fun but i can;t play it without winfrots tts i odn't think.
thanks.

Hello sailors (sorry, I'm in a Zork mood  today.) I am glad to say that ToaSk is freeware and is full version. I imagine Baf's guide hasn't been updated in a while so that's why is classified as demo. Brad, there is allways the Adventure interpreter from WebbIE. Although not part of the accessibility suite, it is made by the person who created WebbIE. If you don't want to muck about with interpreters, they're's ifiction.org or the  slower and more clunkier Parchment interpreter at http://www.iplayif.org.

hello there
does sound like a nice but different game,and I decided to give it a go. however, I downloaded adventure enterpretor and when I try to open the z8 file in there,it doesn't opens it at all. z5 works fine though. any ideas on how I can get it running with it?
thanks.

It was earlier this year Briant, in January I believe, at the same time I started adding if language rpgs to the db.

If it gets too long I'll mail and remind david sinse propper sapi support would be really helpful and not too hard to implement apparently, though he did say the next version of winfrotz might be a while in any case due to usual commitments.

At least for NVDA users, the best way to play Frotz adventures, is using "NFrotz" under cygwin under Windows.
Otherwise, Frotz under Linux.

I'm still surprised if nvda has a reasonable virtual curser as I believe it now does, that winfrotz won't work much in the way I used it with hal's virtual curser back when I first discovered if games. Winfrotz will play just about anything in zcode, accept for those inform 7, glulx games for which I use winfrotz.

I haven't yet been able to spend as much time as I'd like with TosK, through a combination of some necessary db work, some equally necessary academic work, an rp session and me getting tied up with the joy of blowing up space pirates on Ce . i will confess not being able to convert the TosK manual to text is a little irritating sinse it means I must read it with the slightly inconvenient and slow adoby acrobat. Still, I'll hopefully get to look at more of the game today.
As to beyond zork, thanks to the iluminian page I have the game and need to have a look at it, however when I looked up this spag review  it sounded much more a traditional zork game with a vague wave at turn based combat and stats, rather like the tads game shadowlands, indeed the reviewer of spag which mostly bombs anything resembling an rpg, liked beyond zork for it's if like elements and infocom puzzles, and even accused the rpg elements of getting in the way of that or pausing the game which doesn't bode well for Beyond zork being a true rpg like kerkercruip, or even an rpg system with the ability to generate some puzzles like Eamon. I'm not sure what the line is betwene traditional if that we don't include and rpgs that we do, and which side beyond zork, or indeed shadowlands falls.

All of the text adventure language rpgs we've had in the db thus far such as kerkercruip and wumpus 2000, are far more distinctly and definitely rpgs than beyond zork and couldn't be mistaken for standard if by any stretch of the imagination, one reason indeed why the usual if community seems to have such a downer on them. Beyond zork also has the complication of being essentially zork 7 with (as I understand it), many references to the other zork games, and therefore a stand alone entry just! for that game might be a little more problematic in continuity terms, though could I suppose still be justified if the rpg features were good enough.

then of course there's the graphical map mentioned, though i take it from the fact you were able to play beyond zork successfully blindncool that this is an optional extra rather than a necessity.

of course there's also a copywrite issue, though sinse activision haven't given a dam about the infocom games for close to 20 years other than selling the trademark to jolt online for the abortive and verry horrible legends of zork, ---- -how you turn one of the most puzzle and writing rich none! rpg systems into a game that's pure grinding to ridiculousness I don't know, and no wonder it closed down. Eitherway, activision haven't shut down iluminian dispite the disclaimer on his site and the fact that the site is extremely well known, so it probably wouldn't be too much of a worry on that score, ---- whether however it is rpg like enough and stand alone enough to count I don't know.

I am sorry, but this link doesn't working.

Giovani, the above link i posted was a link to the spag review of beyond zork, not a link to download the game.

Beyond zork can be found on this site with the other infocom gmes.

if you were looking for the actual treasures of a slavers' kingdom game, that can be Found here thanks to Trenton for the link.

@Nina, regarding beyond zork being an rpg, that is as I thought from reading the spag reviews about the game, sinse as I said spag and the if community in general do not look kindly upon rpgs, and prefer complex parza and puzzles. I have however started writing up db entries for rpgs in standard text adventure formats, sinse there are so few accessible rpgs, and it seems a shame to miss them just because they're written in zcode or tads rather than as stand alone programs, particularly for people who are rpg fans but might be less fond of standard if (as in fact is the case with myself).

I don't however plan to start writing up entries for more standard, puzzle based interactive fiction games such as the Zork series, sinse there are far too many of those, and there are already very comprehensive indexes of such things on the net.

This is why deciding on the status of beyond zork, rpg or usual if is important, though from what I've heard thus far I'm more inclined to think of it as a dstandard interactive fiction, puzzle based game with one or two rpg elements than anything like a serious rpg that would warrent including in the db, ---- though if anyone has any other thoughts on beyond zork I'd be interested to here them.