As I said in the double posting topic, if the rule goes out, it'll be up to the moderators to decide when double posting is unreasonable behaviour, just like all other behaviour matters such as insulting or flaming, so outing the rule means having trust in our mods.

I've not yet considdered the possible technical solutions to this, sinse there are no ways in the admin pannel or current Punbb extentions that I can see that have anything to do with double posting, ----  if there were I would've used them already.

Thus, any technical solution would need to be hand coded and installed by richard and sander, and being as they're both highly busy with other matters that might well not happen, ---- indeed I wouldn't even say it's a priority, not with all the features we'd like them to code for the db.

So, the bottom line is unless I here different from them, this is a problem which needs to be solved with human judgement not technology.

Hi,

From what I've seen the couple of months I've been registered, we can trust the mods. Actually, this is one of the most well-modded forums I've been in. There were even a few forums I left due to that very reason. Everyone just started flaming and insulting, and I think everyone understand when I say that it was very difficult to communicate there anymore. It also seemed like the admins and mods didn't care. Hell, even one of their mods even engaged into the whole deal, banning people randomly, just because he felt like it. Even I was banned for a day, without any reason! In fact, I got a mail noting my susspention. The reason was "Just because I could". Umm, sorry but WTF?
I don't want this to happen here. That place was a mess!

I have indeed seen forums like that myself ghorthalen, that is why I attempt to be so careful about rules and reasons for moderation.

This is (along with the audeasy list), the central hub for audio games on the net afterall, so if this forum is chaotic and unreasonable it reflects badly upon the hole business of accessible games.

plus, of course we want this to be a forum with a friendly atmosphere and free discussion, that is neither a chaos of flame wars and insults, nor some nazi moderators personal empire.

That is also why we're careful who we select to be a moderator in the first place, and not just anyone can be a mod for the asking. I'm glad you think we're doing a reasonable job at it.

@nocturnus abstaining is quite okay too. I myself have no actual personal stake in whether we have this rule or not, it is simply a matter of what may or may not be good for the forum, and as there are planely a lot of opinions either way, voting seemed the fairest method to settle the matter.

if people find the reasons balanced on both sides, ---- then feel free to abstain, indeed I suppose I really should've added a third option "Have no preference either way" though if that one got most votes goodness knows what we'd do :d.

Well Wyvern we'll see. In voting against the rule as I said above, your also trusting the mods to deal with unreasonable double posting behaviour, just as we currently make judgements about what is ot or flaming.

As I said, for or against the majority will have to live with and abide by the consequences of the vote, however sinse obviously opinions are so heavily devided here a vote seemed the fairest way to solve this. Heck, the only reason we have this rule at all was that because in the past many people asked that there should be one.

Remember, though Sander has given me the job of Forum administrator which means that I, ----- assisted by the other moderators, keep day to day order on the forum, there is a big difference betwene keeping order and imposing! order, and while we strive to do the one I very much hope we can avoid doing the other.

My personal opinion based on past experience is that we do indeed need such a rule and that the means do in this case justify the end, but sinse manifestly so many people do not agree, it's time for democracy.

Moderation!

Just to let people know, the other topic about double posting has been deleted, sinse frankly it turned into a massive flame war with huge amounts of negativity.

I think however the ful issue is summarized well enough in the first post of this poll, and as I said, the results from the poll will stand.

i will also ask everybody to please be reasonable about this. It is after all just a matter of forum order, no different from for instance changing the ranks in principle.

The idea of the rule afterall was a majority decision in the past. If the majority feel differently now, ---- well that is what voting is for.

Whether we allow double posting or not, we are still commited to making this forum a friendly and open place for discussion of audio games, and I would hope that is something we can continue doing whatever disagreements about forum rules we may have.

Frankly tempers have been running far too high on this matter up to now.

Well, I think the current results speak for themselves,

I do not believe that my concerns received a fair summation, a glancing reference in one sentence of the cons vs full treatment of the legitimate arguments pro.

hi.
@themadviolinist
huh?
what i mean buy that is, what do you mean? do you mean that in the other topic you don't think you were listened to? because in this topic you only posted once.

as for the dubble posting thing.
i don't mind if we have it or not. i would preofre not to but if we do i won't  moan.
all i'm going to say on it is. the reason i don't mind it is because well all you do is presss h and then go down read and press h again. and if it is on the same topic i don't see the big fuss.
but saying that, i can see how posting  one word can be anoying and i understand how that can be anoing and i would say dubbble posting is a no no in that case. just because if the person who posted one word posts new you could dubble post you  would see tripple posts and even more posts with just one word in them. wich would be really anoying.

@arc
Please get off your high-horse,
Yes you are a moderator, we know, stop reminding everyone of this fact!

At Robla:  Arc wasn't on a high Horse....he was riding on a wyvren not being able to get off the ground *whimpers*  And do you really want to get on the moderator's bad sides?  Remember, the rule being gone makes judgements based off the moderators opinion, and insulting them is a great way to go down to unreasonable after enough yapping.

    It...turned into a flamewar?  Oh no, the descent into forum mayham has begun!  As most people have done in the past, I blame the Cyber elves. 

    Rule or not, people are still going to be moderated for double posting.  Just because that rule is gone, doesn't mean you won't get wacked by a moderation stick.  And if you consistently double post because there's now no rule to punish you....hehe...remember it's by moderator's say.  I'll go prepare the grue pit for more use in the future.  *Flies off to go check on Dark's pets*

On the moderation issue, if we don't have a rule, then essentially the double and tripple posting thing will be "fine within reason"

so someone who for instance posted the above example related to shades of doom and multiple messages would get a response like the following:

Moderation!

Person x, you really didn't need to post all those short messages to ask extra questions. While there is no problem with multiple posts in principle, there generally has to be a good reason for it, like giving more information, where as what you have posted related to shades of doom just makes the place untidy.

Please try and be more careful in the future.

that is of course a mild warning, and if the person persisted, matters would get more serious, as indeed is the way with moderation.

I hope that clears things up.

I will say however this is precisely why I myself believe we need a rule on this matter, to exactly clear up these sorts of situations rather than leaving them to a "yes that was unreasonab.e" "no it wasn't" type of arguement.

still as I said I will go with the majority.

@violinist, I know nocturnus in creating the summary was trying to cover all points in favour or against, however your long explanation from the now deleted thread, ---- though it did make sense was a bit too long to cover in the summarization in full.

You are however very welcome to rewrite your reasons here, indeed it's exactly for the good reasons you mention of addressing different subjects in different multiple posts that I was prepared to hold this vote in the first place, sinse I do recognize this is not a one way issue.

@robla, lets not go down that road again. The other topic was deleted because of the massive flamewar that got started there. I would much prefer if this topic remains civil, and personal remarks are kept out of it.

Accusing someone of "being on a high horse" is afterall not exactly polite, ---- though that might not be true of a lower wyvern :d.