2018-10-29 15:24:50 (edited by sound_scriber 2018-11-02 14:18:11)

Dear AudioGames.net Community,
My name is Connor Whittaker. I am currently working on a new project that has sat idle for about a year, changing hands and picking up dust. A group of volunteers and I decided to reopen the project a few weeks ago with the intent of providing the community a new outlet with straightforward policies and guidelines where transparency will be the main concern.
We are currently in the final stages of development, and hope to have the website running soon. We are looking for people who are willing to help maintain the website. If you are interested please send me a PM. Requests for special forum ranks posted on AudioGames.net will be ignored. When sending a rank request, please answer the following questions.

  • Tell us a little about yourself?

  • What are your greatest professional strengths?

  • What do you consider to be your weaknesses?

  • Tell us about a challenge or conflict you've faced, and how you dealt with it.

  • What's a time you exercised leadership?

  • How do you deal with pressure or stressful situations?

I look forward to hearing your thoughts, suggestions, or anything else you might wish to add.
Thanks,
Connor Whitaker

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2018-10-29 16:52:13

I would like to volonteer to help this project, I believe I could be a decent moderator, I might be yung, but i'm not as imature as some of the other 13 year olds here. I hope you take my request into consideration and you can contact me via the contact info in my signature. thanks, and see you later!

yo! so I'm working on programing, it's really hard. But I'll tell you where you can contact me if your stupid enough to do so.
Contact information:email: [email protected]
Skype: Brennan Draves
I'm usually found on online games, chatting, and being warned bye admins for talking to much, f**k you admin!

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2018-10-29 17:23:17

no offense, but the job you are doing here, is kind of  making you look like a dick.

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2018-10-29 17:55:54

@3 can I ask how exactly? I would also wonder if, @sound_scriber it might be best to wait a while as we are also trying to sort out policies here. At the same time, I would be interested to see what you come up with and even join in, but I wouldn't want to leave the actual audiogames.net website.

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2018-10-29 17:59:10

My only comment is this: if there's a thumbs down button I'd hit it for post 1. Man, really?

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2018-10-29 18:00:10 (edited by seb2314 2018-10-29 18:03:20)

I personally think that a second forum would be a waste of time. I'm curious as to why the OP did not try and come up with some ideas to improve what we have here instead of starting fresh somewhere else? Just my opinion, but I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking that way. Looking forward to reading what other people think.

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2018-10-29 18:17:13

@5, @6, i fully agree.

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2018-10-29 18:20:53

This new forum is entirely redundant and serves no purpose other than to scream "Hey, I can host a website, look at me go!" Your trying to reinvent the wheel. This of course only works if the ancestor of that forum (this forum) actually is shown to be falling apart and dying to such a degree that i grows unpopular... I doubt that will happen any time soon. @4, its a simpl explanation as to why this makes 1 look like a dick: It seems like sound_scriber is trying to usurp this forums hard-gained position as the top audiogames.net forum (in the world, I think), all because of the most recent events.

"On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!]: 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out ?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."    — Charles Babbage.

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2018-10-29 18:34:58

@ 6 5, you know powerhungry blindies? right?

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2018-10-29 19:51:16 (edited by sound_scriber 2018-10-29 19:52:01)

To clarify, our forum FAQ says, in part, the following:

We believe that having another outlet is good. For example, there are many social networks, each catering to different interests and people. We believe that this applies to AudioGames too. That's why we created this forum.

I have no intention to harm or disparage the AudioGames.net Forum. My only intent in creating my forum is to provide another outlet for the community.

Hope this clears some things up.

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2018-10-29 20:00:14 (edited by seb2314 2018-10-29 20:11:44)

Here's what's bothering me though. On your first post, I quote: "after the now infamous
exposé on missteps of moderators on this website."

You're pretty much saying that it's the reason why you're motivated to continue your project, hence why I'm not interested, although I do wish you the best of luck. Also I still believe that trying to help improve what we already have here seems like a better option, but again that's my opinion, and also the opinion of others. A few things changed on this forum lately and we'll see how it goes, and again nothing is perfect. I just don't see the point of having another forum based on audio games, but there are so many people on here you'll definitely find some that are interested

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2018-10-29 20:19:17

it's like going into microsoft support and saying hey microsoft is stupid and you shouldn't use windows come use mac, because apple is good!

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2018-10-29 20:24:55

I see both points, though the OP's argument that a second website doesn't hurt anything, his comparison to social media is a good one.  Look at what we have...Facebook, Twitter, My space, Pinterest, Instagram, Reddit, probably more that I can't remember.  Do we really, really need that many sites?  Probably not, but...

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2018-10-29 21:33:40

seb2314 wrote:

Here's what's bothering me though. On your first post, I quote: "after the now infamous
exposé on missteps of moderators on this website."

You're pretty much saying that it's the reason why you're motivated to continue your project, hence why I'm not interested, although I do wish you the best of luck. Also I still believe that trying to help improve what we already have here seems like a better option, but again that's my opinion, and also the opinion of others. A few things changed on this forum lately and we'll see how it goes, and again nothing is perfect. I just don't see the point of having another forum based on audio games, but there are so many people on here you'll definitely find some that are interested

I have edited the post to remove that portion. While it is true that the project was originally revived in response to a BSG Blog post regarding AudioGames.net moderation, we quickly decided focusing on that would be a misuse for our time. Our goals in creating this forum is to provide another outlet to the community. That was the original goal a year ago, and that's the goal under my leadership now.

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2018-10-29 21:47:46

JLove wrote:

I see both points, though the OP's argument that a second website doesn't hurt anything, his comparison to social media is a good one.  Look at what we have...Facebook, Twitter, My space, Pinterest, Instagram, Reddit, probably more that I can't remember.  Do we really, really need that many sites?  Probably not, but...

this is a good point, and I agree with it, although this forum may not be nessisary, I feel it could be just another place for people to chat.
Also, I'd like to know the rules, because a forum where we'r more allowed to do what we like, aside from fucking stupid shit like cracking and code stealing, would be good for the comunity.

yo! so I'm working on programing, it's really hard. But I'll tell you where you can contact me if your stupid enough to do so.
Contact information:email: [email protected]
Skype: Brennan Draves
I'm usually found on online games, chatting, and being warned bye admins for talking to much, f**k you admin!

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2018-10-29 22:01:18

So, what would you gain if you provided an another outlet to the community? Power right?

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2018-10-29 22:39:40

Everyone is speaking like others want power all the time, no matter what. Have you ever considered that maybe someone would like to try their hand at something themselves? This forum may be the premier one. But it was never writen in the stars that it will remain the only one. And about the I believe 12th post, wherein you said that this is akin to saying Apple is better on a Microsoft Support forum, that seems an actually common business practice. Maybe not something so narrow, but that’s what commercials are meant to. My final point: Power grabs most likely have nothing to do with it. It’s someone who has their own vision and would like to try it themselves. Best of luck, Connor.

"There is no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake. Then the science gets done, and you make a neat gun for the people who are still alive."

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2018-10-30 00:56:56 (edited by defender 2018-10-30 00:59:31)

Come on guys, be reasonable, if it ends up being a better site than ag.net than good for everyone, if it doesn't and it probably won't than it will fade into obscurity and no harm done anyway.
I can see a potential for conflict between the two if the other gets big enough, but frankly if either community gets toxic enough that the average Joe visitor feels that strongly about either site, than both sites userbases clearly suck anyway, and the mods of either site would need to step enforcement up.


I would like to know your background in audio games though Sound Scribe, and that of your collaborators, along with your general age and how your going to pay for server costs and how your moderation style would differ from ag.net's.
After all I've never even heard of you, unless I saw you on a game (what other usernames do you and your friends go by) and in my mind (thanks to previous experience) all I see is a bunch of teenagers who don't know what their doing, disgruntled by ag.net's atmosphere/moderation, and that doesn't bode well for a successful community at all.
You did say you started this a year ago though, which is more promising, but ag.net has been having problems for a while now anyway.

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2018-10-30 02:29:19

defender wrote:

I would like to know your background in audio games though Sound Scribe, and that of your collaborators, along with your general age and how your going to pay for server costs and how your moderation style would differ from ag.net's.
After all I've never even heard of you, unless I saw you on a game (what other usernames do you and your friends go by) and in my mind (thanks to previous experience) all I see is a bunch of teenagers who don't know what their doing, disgruntled by ag.net's atmosphere/moderation, and that doesn't bode well for a successful community at all.
You did say you started this a year ago though, which is more promising, but ag.net has been having problems for a while now anyway.

I didn't start this a year ago. I was approached by another individual who had been working on the website but had dropped the idea some time ago. I decided to take the project on about two months ago, and as time permitted I continued updating the site.
Currently, the project is hosted vie x10Hosting, however my eventual goal is to acquire enough funds to pay for a VPS.
I stumbled upon audiogames after some googling a year and a half ago, and immediately became hooked. I first started with Kitchen's Inc games created by the late Jim Kitchen,. Another game that I found quickly was 3-D Velocity. I then found AudioGames.net, and one of the trending topics was Eurofly. I downloaded it, and began playing. And on and on and on.
I have moderated online communities before, and my style is generally laid back unless things get messy. I generally warn people who are pushing the boundaries a few times. I hand out banns only when someone has been grossly offensive, toxic, ETC., or if someone is providing cracks, pirated music/videos, posting porn or doing anything illegal. Whenever someone has a complaint, I do my best to understand the situation from every perspective possible, and act in a fair and just manner that benefits everyone if the situation permits.
If you have any more questions, I am ore than happy to answer.
Connor

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2018-10-30 03:15:26

Twitter, instagram, Reddit all serve millions of users. This community is already way smaller and way more fragmented as it is? Now you want to add another forum to the mix? As a developer I have to say this is frustrating. So now I have to keep my eye on a place with another set of threads and possibly a news section that I have to post in? No thanks. Please consider trying to help the existing community instead of already fracturing an already fractured community.

2018-10-30 04:30:29

Liam does have a point. Fracturing an already fractured community will only cause more problems for developers.

"On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!]: 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out ?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."    — Charles Babbage.

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2018-10-30 05:20:30

Nah, I think its time that we have 2 websites, hey even 3 if someone else wants to step up and do the work. I personally myself don't see me getting involved in any of this, but I agree people shouldn't be limited to the AG forum. At post 20, tough luck bro. You wanna be a developer? Oh, don't complain about keeping up with your work and your customers. Hell, if you don't like  it so much, don't update that forum with your new games. Sorry, but that is the stupidest reason I ever heard. It sounds like a lazy developer who clearly isn't a people person and feels as though everyone needs to follow all of your demands. Oh shit, I just bashed the great and powerful Liam! I bet I'm gonna get the heat from everyone now. Lol. I am 100% in agreement that there needs to be a new forum, no matter what.

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2018-10-30 05:23:32

Actually, I suspect that there is a way to post any development news/updates/threads to multiple places at once.  I doubt very seriously that mainstream game devs take the time to write individual postings for each of the multiple social media sites.  I suspect they write one post, and that post is simultaneously sent to all of the social media platforms at once.  I doubt they're spending hours writing one post for multiple sites.

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2018-10-30 05:37:02

@JLove, yes, but those services they post to have HTTP/HTTPS REST APIs. AG.NET (or any other PunBB/PanBB instance) does not.

"On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!]: 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out ?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."    — Charles Babbage.

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2018-10-30 07:02:25 (edited by cartertemm 2018-10-30 16:55:14)

in full agreement with Defender here.

I'm wondering why all the unneeded backlash? while I personally might not have posted this here, especially with nothing to show for yourself quite yet, their really is no reason to prematurely throw around the term power-hungry. Right now AgNet has the monopoly in this rather small community, having been proceeded by Klango. but precisely what gives us the right to shoot down this guys idea? Sure, he's taking a rather bold step. His forum will either be a clone of the very one he's using for advertising and people would rather not take the time to create an account, or it could follow the same road as other successful online chat communities and bring something new to the table. He really hasn't given us all that many details. Why suspect the worst with such little to go on?


With that said, I'm glad you have prior admin experience, because believe me, if this has any hope of success it'll damn sure be needed. Also, just saying but... I personally wouldn't ask for administration on the very forum to which your wishing to provide an alternative, especially without a name to your site. Start with a couple people you feel as if you can trust, and if you're seeing a good deal of traffic, evaluate those current users. Anyone could easily answer each and every one of your questions with a heartwarming sentiment, actions speak louder than words as they say.
Can you provide a little background? What have you administrated in the past?

To all those complaining about another outlet, are you the same ones who complained about the launch of quora in 2008? After all, reddit had existed for 3 years beforehand. These forums both more or less serve the same idea, with quora acting as more of a q&a deal. Even though reddit is to date more popular, quora is certainly following along. By your logic it's not even required because you can already get all your questions answered on reddit. this isn't how the world works. If I'm a contributor to blog A and would like to create blog B, am I instantly power hungry due to my inability to patrol comments on blog A?

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