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As I said I feel it is wrong to tell developers they *must* allow modding. Creative freedom works both ways you know

While i'm deffinately in favor of more games having map creators and level editers, and the ability to add new sound files as part of those eddits, ----- like the cars in topspeed, I'm afraid I find the process of creating possible level eddits for a lot of games slightly incomprehensible. In all of the Bsc titles, not to mention treasuremania and quite a few other games, for example, the elements are completely randomized, with greater chances of certain elements occurring on higher levels, ----- Eg, you are more likely to get sewer lids and barrels on side scroller level 10, than on level 5. As this is the case, I'm afraid I fail to see how creating your own maps with fixed obstacles, or enemies occurring at fixed time intervals would improve the game, ----- in fact imho it would make the game worse, sinse it's the unpredictability and your reactions to those elements that are a lot of the challenge of such games.

At one stage, tom ward did say something about a map creation language for Monti, ------ and imho this would be absolutely fantastic given the exploration style of the game, ----- but we'll have to see sinse at the moment he's stil working on the release.

Dyna man has a grid editer (part of the reason why i bought the game), but unfortunately there's no central place to upload any grids you create or download other people's, ----- which imho is rather a shame.

As to the basic modification of sound files without altering the structure of the game, well I can see bennifits in changing the environment and atmosphere of a game, but ultimately, it is the dev's decision whether or not to allow this sort of thing to happen, and sinse the devs are the ones making the game, we have to abide by that.

Also, as the Audio games markit is so small, we really can't afford issues like pyracy or plagerism at all.

There have in fact been instances of people trying to you know what games (think what thin ice is famous for), and there was at least one occasion i can think of where somebody modified all the sounds of superliam in an attempt to pass it off as his own game, ---- which obviously is not good.

While I'm always in favor of creative freedom, sinse our devs are all just individuals trying to make ends meet and not gigantic games companies of corporate doom as in the mainstream games markit, we have to do our best to support them.

Oh, and as to the Sg business, I'm afraid I myself didn't think much to the original film or what I've seen of the series, so it wouldn't be a game I'd particularly fancy (imho Babylon 5 would make a much better audio scifi game subject). But Lord Raven, if this is something your interested in, and something you think would be easily doable in sound, then I suggest politely contacting the programmers of the thing and getting into discussion with them. i've often been surprised at the results obtainable via a litle tact and diplomacy.

True about the setting Cx2, but personally I thinkthere is something to be said as well for games set in a particular universe, especially when they're highly extensive games, or lt you take roles in key events.

i was always rather jealous of my brother playing knights of the old republic for this. I remember Tom ward also mentioning something about a real time, mission based startrek game which would be a very good thing indeed, but I'm fairly certain he's taken up with other projects at the moment.

Well, apparently the next version of final conflict will have all appropriate tech specs from the various trek resources, which is good, and i was quite surprised myself at how accurate Sarah turned out to be. There have actually been some official games that have been pretty awful as far as being close to the setting goes, ----- the one that springs to mind for me in this respect is the old fellowship of the ring rpg on the snes, where your first mission was to go into the Hobbiton caves to retrieve Gaffer gamgee's glasses, so that he would unlock the hobbiton gate and you could progress. The caves were full of wolves, orcs and snakes, ----- and last I checked the shire was lacking in all three!

i agree about the ai, sometimes some ships are so hard to find it is impossible. i was so close to beating the game, and then there were the last 2 ships, and i could not find them anywhere. they were both cardassions.

No Cx2, i think your right, and that's why thom ward's apparently working on V2.0. I'm not sure if he's altering the gameplay, though imho it would be good if there indeed more ways to win. My usual tactic with the Klingons and romulans requires three ships, one to go as bate about 9 lightyears ahead of the others. while this isn't exactly the most Honourable way of fighting, it does quite often work.

As for the Cardassians, they seem so under powered when compared to the Klingons and romulans it's a litle rediculous. I remember one game, where Ds9 was situated so far away from everything else that I just decided to forget about it, sinse the time it would take one or two ships to get there would seriously weacon my position. appropriately enough, it was attackd by the entire Cardassian fleet (though admittedly in several waves rather than in one huge block), and rather amusingly it did for the hole lot of them!

I think by far the most amusing story I know about official game releases is the tale of the official E.t. game released in the early 80's for several atari game consoles. apparently it was abyssmal to the point of horror, ----- the entire game being about as big as one level of packman, and taking about as long to completely finish (unlike most games of the time, it didn't have infinite levels or repeats).

apparently two million coppies of the game were made, and only about 30000 got sold due to it's general awfulness. both because the company wanted to forget about the game, and because they didn't want that much scrap on their hands, apparently the other one and three quarter million games were taken out and stuck in a disused world war 2 bunker somewhere in the Nivada desert!

i'm not sure whether or not this is an urban myth, but I do rather like the idea of some future archaeologist digging their way into a bunker containing hundreds of thousands of coppies of an appaulingly bad computer game!

Hmmmm, fodder for an Sf story there methinks.

I do agree though, some official games have been truly fantastic! But one advantage of audio games being developed by a dedicated bunch of independent devs rather than the big companies of doom, is that their not forced to churn out a game tie in to every new film that comes along, and tthus any games they mmake set in pre-existing worlds, are most deffinately there because the devs were dedicated enough to make them.

Cx2 your Synicism is showing!

I admitt that it's a possibility, but I wouldn't say any of the audio games i've seen thus far in pre-existing plotlines have fallen into that catagory. I admit I don't know much about the circumstances surrounding the creation of Trek 2000, but from gma games other creations, I'm willing to give the bennifit of the doubt on that one.

Yo cx2. I am looking into a turn based ST themed thing currently. Just released STCCG at my site too http://myweb.cableone.net/lwmurphy/DOOR.HTM. Turn based thing is a fairly big project for me and don't know if I can pull it off the way I want. I'll try.

For those that enjoy a ST theme - lots out there. Here is an interesting twist - seems Para. Pic. corp. copyright owners are finally - what 40 years later - kicking up a fuss. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h … A96E958260

Non-comnercial followers like me are safe I suspect - but never say never! LOL! Tons of sites out there with ST TOS/TNG/Voyager/Borg et. all  theme. Bet the judge throws it out unless it truely is direct (with a big D I suspect) competition.

Wonder if Para Pic would like to publish and sell a card deck of STCCG? LOL! Would be cool. I'll take a small royalty. Derivative kind of thing.

Me?   topic is :Questions about game sounds and new game suggestion

I'm on to a new game idea and there may be future concerns as to audio for Star Trek that I plan to do (and have now done) or ST of any nature actually. So I think I am on topic. Some companies really defend their cc. Paramont never did, until now, why? I suspect it was the publisher that initiated a (rather large one too I bet) commercial venture, from that article, without consulting Para. Pics Co. first.  So I think PPC is going after the pub really as they have to defend the author I bet as it sounds like a sub'ed thing. There must be lots of money there from the sales.

There is the fandom rally cry, if you read it, which I hope will be somewhat defined now after this, there are many publications and games out there based on ST. I think the non-commercial pursuits are fine for ST as that has been demonstrated. All else, ehhh. Perhaps this will bring some definition to ST fandom and use. Perhaps PPC wants to put an end to it?

It is always a game developers first draw to go with what is popular. If you stay out of the commerical arena, you are less likely to step on their toes. Stay in fandom. Trying to talk to them is futile as you will never be heard over the roar of the crowd also trying to get their ear. Stay in fandom and you are likely clear. Start making money at it  ... dance with the devil. There is a huge ST gaiming crowd with many games to boot ...

Based on my hit rate I have nothing to really be concerned about LOL! I have had maybe a thousand hits since May from the good folks here,  mosty by far, you guys I suspect.  Before that, zero. I get nothing for what I do but the satisfaction of being creative and it maybe being liked, working in the accessible arena. I feel PPC won't do this. So maybe there is some hope in the audio game market for future developers from what goes on here in this suit concerning fandom, fair use, and the US ADA? I think a bit of a rally cry here should be heard there ... I don't know, I just enjoy programming.

Sorry for the plug, but examples and a little news go a long way and makes you ponder.

Hmmmm D&D, I wouldn't say it's gotten too ot in this topic yet, sinse the discussion has gradually moved in this direction rather than someone suddenly posting abut it. Personally in forums, I think it's natural for threads to evolve as different people reply etc. The only thing that is imho totally unacceptable from and Ot perspective, would be somebody posting a totally unrelated question without reading the full topic.

Anyway, that miner wrant about forum structuring aside, I agree with you Cx2 about a lot of fan projects being bunkum! This is the reason why I do not generally read fanfics, ----- which is rather Hyppocritical of me, sinse I'm involved in a fairly major fan fic project, the xenogears novelization (it even got me a mention on Wikipedia lol!), though many of the earlier parts of that which I wrote when I knew a lot less about writing technique make me shudder these days.

Anyway, getting back on track, I wouldn't be surprised if in 1998 Paramount became draconian about copywrite, sinse that was the point where they were trying to push the enterprise series, ------ which quite ironically completely mangled the Trek universe as I understand it.

Given what we were saying above about the awfulness of some original game tie ins though, it doesn't seem that you can consistantly say that official games are more canonical than fan stuff, ----- rather there is a subset of both which is canonical and worth playing.

I'm afraid Nio0, there are already several trek cards, both of the playing card variety and quite a few Ccg games. My brother is an incredibly serious Ccg player, ----- in fact he is probably in the top five in England for some games, and regularly wins national tournaments. But the point is, he knowns his collectable card games backwards. Also as a slightly lapsed trek enthusiast, he is reasonable on his St as well!

Reguarding your games Neo, I personally love the idea of the stratogy thing you were mentioning earlier, whether Trek related or not. I will admit though, I rather liked the fact that in Solaris prime you used your own setting. It might be nice to have other games that tie in to the setting and explain a bit more about the universe, ----- which would also improve the Solaris prime experience.

Has earth been destroyed leaving only 9 bases? are you the remnant's of a colonization fleet? iis it the ruines of an Earth Xylon war, hence the lack of other available ships besides the Xr1?

Oe very nice thing which game companies like Capcom and Snk have done is expand a universe to fill a number of games, ----- quite often a number of game genres even!

Take Resident evil. The main series are 3D adventure horror games, with heavy puzle elements, and occasional bursts of action. Then there are 3D total action games (the gun surviver games), a pure shooter involving the light gun, an online multiplayer co-op thing etc.

And yes Cx2, we have a plot ruining film as well, ----- though the red queen did rather amuse me.

Streetfighter, Mortal Kombat, King of the fighters (and it's various sub-series), Mega man, Metroid, Guilty gear, ----- mmmmm I could probably go on for a while here. The point is, all these game series have expanded universe elements running into different games, and often different types of games as well. It'd be great to see this sort of connectivity in audio games.

thus far, only Draconis has shown direct interest in connecting game plots, withh Dynaman and old man stanley turning up in different games, ----- but I'm not sure how seriously you can take this.

Even the Bsc sequals such as Troop 2 have very litle to do with the original's plot.