2018-12-17 02:08:45

Hi.
Over time I've realized that I'll need to get a new phone at some point. I was considering getting an Android, because I'm getting annoyed at the limitations my IPhone forces upon me. There's so much customization on Android, it seems as if the sky's the limit. There's just one problem I have with it... The screen reader isn't that great. I recently used a cheap android phone, and not only could I not push the numbers in the phone app because they were tiny, but the phone didn't switch to speaker phone automatically so I had a hard time listening to the prompts and my sr. I also never had much luck with Talkback to begin with. So my question is, how do you Android users cope with it?

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2018-12-17 02:25:02

I don't think I've had trouble with the phone app at all. Usually, the worst was texting, and anything that used android's virtual keyboard. The phone app on mine uses a large number keypad, though input is the same as keyboard input, I suppose. As in you have to drag your finger to the digit you want to input and release it. Same way with keyboard, but instead of digits, it's keyboard characters. Not pleasant for long texts, though. The keyboard really is my worst complaint with talkback, though from my experience with IOs devices, it isn't much of an advantage. Only some slight improvements here and there, so...Anyways, I guess it just depends on how your phone has been set up. I use a droid turbo 2, and as I said, it works well for my use.

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2018-12-17 03:11:24

Well, the limitation aspect depends so much on what you intend to do with your phone. If you want to experiment with your device, consider Android. If you want a phone that simply does the job as described by the manufacturer, consider a new iPhone.
Three years ago, I wouldn't switch to iOS even if you gave me all the iPhones produced since 2010. Now that my life has changed a bit, and that I don't have much time to customise and do experiments with my device, I won't switch to Android even if you give me all the latest flagship android phones on the market. I highly praise the person who invented the roter concept as well as the braille screen input on the iPhone. These two are truly life saviours.

2018-12-17 06:04:30

Hi @Shotgunshell.
Yeah, there's a lot of hype around android and customisation but I wonder: how much do you want to customise your phone? The most extreme case would be to flash a new ROM on your device and run a system entirely different from the original one. This could give advantages in performance but requires a bit of technical knowledge and specialised tools.
With the phone app I personally haven't had any problems, but sometimes it's a bit annoying that as I type a number that's not saved on my phone address book, the phone app tries to auto-complete it.
Also, I have always preferred "pure" Android. So, a couple of years ago that would be Nexus phones; nowadays it could be either a Pixel phone or an Android One phone. There are great mid-range Android one phones with an amazing performance!

2018-12-17 08:33:54 (edited by Socheat 2018-12-17 08:34:36)

For turning on the speaker, I've used an app called Auto speaker. It detects your ear like on iPhone, when you hold the speaker near your ear, it will turn off the phone's speaker. But when you put the speaker away from your ear, it will automatically switches to phone's speaker for you again. I don't use it right now, since I know where to touch to turn on the speaker when calling.

2018-12-17 09:28:50

i guess that phone didn't support them, because my stupid galaxy grand neo plus with android 4.4.4 isn't like that

2018-12-17 10:48:43

Hello to all. Anyone here have experiences with the one plus line of phones? I had Samsung phones but hated how slow they were with updating.  I have been somewhat curious on how the OnePlus 6 t is. Really enjoyed voice assistant on the samsung S8 I had but would not personally buy another Samsung phone until they get their crap straight about updating.

2018-12-17 11:12:33

Oh how I love you all iOS fanatics.
Now to the point: I use my Xiaomi Redmi Note 4X, with Commentary Screenreader, but before that wonder of technology came out, I used talkback and I had no problems with it. I used GBoard for keyboard input, because you can resize is as much as you wish so if it's too small for you you just can make it larger.

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2018-12-17 11:30:52 (edited by Mayana 2018-12-17 11:32:53)

I've never had any problems with my Android phone. The numbers aren't too small here, and I have a phone with a pretty small screen. As for speaker phone, I don't know what that is, tbh. I just use headphones, or put the phone close to my ear, not sure what else there could be.
I've never used an iPhone, so I perhaps just don't know what I'm missing, but I'm perfectly happy with Talkback. That braille typing feature seems like it could be useful for some, but I live just fine without it. Honestly not sure why you find Talkback so bad. It does its job.
I have no real desire to ever try an iPhone. I like customization far too much to choose something so closed, no matter how perfect you claim the screenreader is. I'll probably get some rugged phone next, like Cat, or one of the phones supported by Lineage OS. We'll see. Either way, I bet I'll have more fun with it than I ever could with an iPhone. To each their own, of course! smile

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2018-12-17 12:55:50 (edited by UltraLeetJ 2018-12-17 12:58:37)

well, android has been diversifying it self quite a bit and more so with newer system updates. i would suggest you get a blackberry key phone, it seems it runs a pretty hefty android version, plus you have now things that are almost as a laptop running in there, it surpasses the IPhones with 128 gb (expandable mem), 32 gb of ram and a terrific processor plus it has a built in  physical keyboard so you can chat to your hearts content. Its definitely on my wish list too!
The rotor or whatever its called? talkback has had that for years now, they call it more appropriately, granularity setting and its much easier to use in gesture wise terms. And you can get many braille input style keyboard apps (though I am happy with my physical keyboard that no IPhone will ever have bundled now that things with Apple start falling by the wayside)
I also like the bluetooth headsets made by lg. i have had mine for the past year and battery is pretty solid, controls are abundant and the headset over all is pretty accessible, it has a voice that tells you everything, including battery level every time you turn the thing on. They are pretty futuristic, wearable and slick as well, and very easy to use. That should solve your in call issues. Best thing, eloquence for android works well and its not expensive like the pc counterpart.

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2018-12-17 14:11:26

Thanks for the responses.
One of the main reasons I use iOS is because of their iMessage and FaceTime apps. Android does not seem to have anything like that, so I will be out of luck. However, I’m starting to not care about their apps too much.  I don’t like how locked down the operating system is, and I want to be able to customize my phone.  On android all even be able to install different voices on to it. Because of this, I think I’m done buying iPhones. The next phone I’m getting will be an android, which will hopefully be in the near future. When that happens, I’ll let you guys know how it turns out.

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2018-12-17 15:31:38

Hello,
I wonder if I switch to android, how can I achieve voiceover’s direct touch typing functionality?

2018-12-17 16:48:25

Just to add to the conversation: I'm currently running android 8.1 on a galaxe j7 prime, sansung. The keyboard here is different, because you can, and need to, double tap on each letter or number before they appear on the editbox of whatever app you're writing on, personaly i find this a lot better than dragging fingers.

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2018-12-18 06:06:24

@Drewin, if you ever decide that you prefer the one tap method better, you should be able to change it somewhere in the settings. I can't remember where exactly right now; probably either Talkback's settings, vision settings under accessibility, or the Samsung Keyboard settings. I hope you find your phone useful! smile

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2018-12-18 08:43:58

hi
the good thing about Android phones is, when you get root access You're unstoppable. From adding the functionality similar to stereo mix on windows, to giving your cheep old phone the benefit of having stereo speakers.
personally, I've never had a single problem with the phone app. I'm not sure about all the phones available but mine has Large buttons for Dialing.
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2018-12-18 14:01:41

Hi all. I'm using huawei y6 prime 2018, and it's good for me. Huawei apps are fully accesseble, and emui os is very easy to use. Plus, on huawei and honor devices, you can turn on talkback without sighted people right off buying your phone.

2018-12-18 15:07:39

I'm happy with my pixel 2 xl and i got it about 4 months ago. I used to use an IPHone and i get peole criticizing me for swithcing but i like the flexibility android offers as opposed to IPhone.

2018-12-18 15:12:42

@16, how do you turn on talkback when you don't need some one helping you?
i want to know please

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2018-12-18 16:08:45

@Austingrace: Since you were asking about OnePlus, my OnePlus 5T is a fairly good phone, which was a bit frustrating when I got it first because of many unlabeled buttons and Talkback 6 wasn't deployed yet on Android Nougat, but I learned to deal with it and things have goten better since I got it.
The one thing that didn't evolve in a good way with Oreo is that the OnePlus dialpad became really hard to use with Talkback, and it is still the case today. So you may likely want to replace the dialler if you get a OnePlus, and the cammera app if you intend on using it.
Otherwise the phone goes smoothly as you would expect, though I feel Talkback may lack a bit in smoothness  by itself compared to VoiceOver, but that's probably due to the way it handles inputs. Nothing too annoying though, but you will feel it if you come from an IPhone.
I can't talk much about the 6T and it's under-screen fingerprint reader, but I have read some reviews saying it quickly becomes easy to find even with closed eyes.

2018-12-18 17:04:15

@pulsseman45
Really? That's something I've only heard a few times, I can't understand it though. For me on a Galaxy S8, Talkback is way more responsive than VO ever was. The one issue I might have is the sccreen is too sensitive sometimes, lol but definitely not less responsive.

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2018-12-18 17:53:58

18, on huawei and honor devices, you need hold volume up and volume down buttons to turn on and turn off talkback

2018-12-18 19:18:58 (edited by pulseman45 2018-12-18 19:21:07)

@20: Well, maybe touch latency is what I'm experiencing, though on the 5T it is supposed to be 87 ms I believe. While it's not the best, I wouldn't expect it to be really noticible. I believed the latency was due to Talkback scanning the gesture you are doing for a brief period of time, for example when you swipe to a direction, you may be simply swiping or starting an angular gesture and that would explain the brief latency, but well, maybe the 5T doesn't have that good of a touch screen. At least it is not bad to the point that the double tap works like once out of ten, something I have none with an old device and was quite surprised about.
I'm still perplexed though, OnePlus devices are often considered among the smoothest with Google Pixel phones, so if touch latency was that bad I guess it would be quite different.