2018-12-06 21:34:09

Republicans and radical feminists have all but abandoned it, but the fight against porn has an unlikely new champion: college men.
Combining the energy of the #MeToo movement with a moral fervor, students at universities across the country told The Daily Beast they are working to get pornography off their campuses.
The effort started at Notre Dame University in October, when 80 male students penned an open letter requesting a porn filter on the campus WiFi. Since then, lead letter-writer Jim Martinson said, he’s received emails from more than 40 students at other universities who want to install a filter on their own campuses.
Georgetown senior Amelia Irvine, a conservative firebrand, told The Daily Beast that Martinson’s letter inspired her to push for something similar at her Catholic university. She plans to recruit support over the winter break and start an open letter or petition in the spring.
Students at secular schools like Harvard, Princeton, and the University of Pennsylvania also said they were excited by the idea, but were still figuring out how it could work on their campuses. At Princeton and Penn, students said they were already tabling and handing out fliers about the dangers of pornography on campus.

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2018-12-06 22:16:09

I completely agree--all colleges should have a porn filter on their wireless networks.

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2018-12-06 22:33:14

For some reason it isn't showing the poal. I'm a conservative and have ben trying to stay away from porn if you wanted to watch it then buy your own Internet connection. I don't really agree with web filters unless its for kids who's ages are lower than 18.

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2018-12-06 22:48:21

I don't care. It's not hurting anyone if you watch porn. Besides, filters can be easily circumnavigated by VPNs. You should be using VPNs on a public network such as a College anyway. There's no telling who might be snooping around.

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2018-12-06 23:08:33

Yeah that is true.

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2018-12-06 23:49:45

I understand certain people not wanting to watch porn. That's their prerogative. However, it sounds to me like these people are trying to shove their views down everybody else's throats. Also, Chris made a good point. Those who care to can get around any filtering scheme with ease.

People are going to watch porn regardless of any measures taken to stop them. All having filters would do is delay someone's porn watching by a minute or two and create lots of unnecessary work for the IT Department.

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2018-12-06 23:54:52

question, what is pornography?

Some of my lady friends tell me they enjoy checking out posters of scantily clad boy bands or male sports stars, is this pornography? How about romance novels?

What about fashion magazines which include clothing modelling, often in unclad positions, and how about art works such as nudes etc?

Are we going to ban any film with a scene of sex between heterosexual people? How about sex therapists and instruction manuals, heck my lady and I read threw Alex Comfort's "the joy of sex" together as part of treating my genophobia, would this be pornography?

What about text games like Flexible survival, or audio games like Jim kitchin's spanker?

Even in so called professional "pornography" there is a pretty major difference between a couple who film themselves making love and put it on line, or those who willingly engage in sexual videos on a professional basis, (videos which are often used in an instructional way, and someone who has been forced to pose in front of a camera, or still worse, has had unpleasant things done to them in front of a camera which have then been shared for their humiliation.

This latter sort, the sort of pornography  which causes devastating harm to those involved in its production should definitely be  criminalised both for users and especially for producers, but tarring all possible sexual material with the same brush seems like extreme overkill to me, especially in a digital age where use of human models to produce any sort of videos will likely soon become entirely unnecessary anyway.

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2018-12-07 01:52:25 (edited by Ethin 2018-12-07 01:53:39)

Omg I hate people who do this and paint a huge group of things with the same brush. Dark has a good point -- just what is pornography? The dictionary says it is "printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings." Wikipedia says it is "the portrayal of sexual subject matter for the exclusive purpose of sexual arousal." Now, we come to the interesting bit: the law doesn't define "pornography" anywhere within its pages. At least, not in the US. It defines "child pornography", but not "pornography". Where is this definition, I here you asking. Well, its in title 18, chapter 110, Section 2,256, Paragraph (8). It says, "(8) "child pornography" means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where-(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; (B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or (C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct."
This really should send a very clear message -- do not stereotype, or attempt to categorize, a broad topic such as pornography. That's like saying "we should ban technology from college campuses." Then someone will ask you to define what "technology" is. Is it industrial technology, Information and Communications Technology, Transport, Health technology, Educational technology, Nanotechnology, Assistive technology, Electronics, Financial technology.... you get the idea.

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2018-12-07 04:05:25

I feel like this issue and the hype surrounding it is due to all the bad publicity pornography in all it's forms gets.  Pornography and by this i'm referring to moveis, if used right can actually enhance a sexual experience at least it has for me and girlfriends that i've had.  I feel like yes, they should put a filter on their wireless network. if somone wants to look at porn they can vpn or bring pornography with them to college.

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2018-12-07 04:57:03

I don't feel like that should be done. Its a retarded idea, IMO, and students should be allowed to watch whatever they like. We should not be putting limitations on where students can go on the internet or whatever they can watch as though they were schoolchildren.

"On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!]: 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out ?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."    — Charles Babbage.

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2018-12-07 07:21:38 (edited by Dark 2018-12-07 07:23:21)

I agree with Ethin here. Once you define an age of adult responsibility, you also assume people to behave like responsible adults.

One other factor, in terms of university, is  about research? Back when  I was still an underggrad, a good friend of mine wrote an essay on pornography and censorship for our module on political philosophy (actually a very similar discussion to what is being had here).

He chose to do so precisely because! he and his girlfriend (who is now his wife), used pornography together, both as stimulation, and for purposes of instruction, so it was a subject he felt strongly about.

Its not just in ethics, what  about psychologists studying sexual therapy or behaviour?

I will say on a wider societal level that I do see the point in law enforcement agencies trying to crack down on dark net sights and private groups sharing the harmful sorts of pornography, i.e  material whose production is automatically predicated on actually hurting people, especially children, but this is quite a different matter to specifically university based censorship of any or all pornographic material (whatever that means).

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2018-12-07 10:05:30

If their is a separate WiFi network for classrooms/administrative offices then yes fine, many workplaces do it and it's just a distraction that can make others uncomfortable and doesn't belong in a semi professional environment anyway.
In dorms how ever? Uh, no. You don't get to tell me how to live in my downtime unless it harms others in a significant way. Especially when I'm paying you good money to live their...
How about schools focus on improving student debt instead of the newest moral panic.
Private religious colleges how ever can and will do pretty much  what ever they want anyway though, and people know that when they choose to go their.
Here's to hoping any filters they put on their are easy to crack though, and knowing bureaucracy they probably will be.


Side note, I thought it said in the forum rules that we couldn't discuss porn here? Or does that only apply to specific videos/giving out links and not general concepts.

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2018-12-07 11:04:46

Hi, i reelly don't understand what is wrong with a person whatching porn.
It is not as if he or she is bothering any one, i can understand if you whatch it in frunt of another person that does not like porn. that is just a matter of respect you should have.
other than that i see no problems in some one whatching porn... not that i am encouraging any one just my oppinion.

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2018-12-07 15:06:38

I personally think this discussion should be aloud, but direct links to porn should absolutely not be on here as there are younger people here. Speaking from personal experience as well, I have not watched any porn but if that's what people like, then so be it, there's no point in judging anyone.
As to the topic in question, it's a difficult one. I like the idea of having dorms just allow whatever, but ban the porn in the classrooms and receptions. Surely, it's none of my business what my theoretical dorm mates watch?

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2018-12-07 18:42:21

I agree with the ban it in the classroom or other professional environment. That's fine. But banning it in the dorms or other environments that's not professional in nature? No way. But like I said.... what exactly is pornography in the OPs definition of the term? Is it pornographic genres, like Alt porn, Animal pornography, Bondage pornography, Bukkake, etc.? Is it child pornography, specifically? Or is it 'all forms of pornography'? If its 'all forms of pornography', I'll tell you right now to give up on attempting to ban it -- it won't work. And I also agree with Defender -- Colleges should be focusing on how to eliminate student debt rather than focusing on very minor issues like pornography. (And yes, that is a very minor issue compared to someone owing a student lone of $100000.00 because of that psychology degree they got when they were 27 and are still paying off at the age of 65.)

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2018-12-12 11:00:42 (edited by st.mc 2018-12-12 11:02:10)

I don't think banning and censorship would work on the internet, Whether it's being applied to a college or a whole country.  This would result in nothing but A waste of money and time For everyone

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2018-12-13 10:10:34

Well, just from hearing people talk about it, I think it should be banned, period. It seems disgusting, gross, sickening, yucky, can we extend the list?

2018-12-13 11:14:46

@ElizaBaez, I'm afraid I am not sure of your arguement here.
I do not like tomatoes, the texture of them makes me feel very ill. When I hear people talking about "A jucey tomato" it sounds quite disgusting to me. Using the same reasoning you employed above, I could state that I think tomatoes should be banned on colidge campuses big_smile.

This isn't to say your not entitled to your emotive response. If someone were to force you to watch porn or talk about porn in front of you knowing  found it disgusting that would be rude and insensitive, however why exactly your emotive response should affect what others do or what moral rules should be passed I am not sure here.

Secondly of course, you simply say "it" referring to pornography in your above response in a very monolythic way. As myself and others have said, there is a lot of different types of material with a sexual element, from instructional books and videos, to romance novels or love scenes in films, to actively nasty stuff.

Manifestly some is bad, but mutch is not.

indeed, my lady and I read through Alex Comfrot's "the joy of sex together", an instructional book on lovemaking intended for couples. You could call that pornography, certainly the print version has lots of illustrations of couples making love because it has a lot of tips.

Yet, doing this was a way to help me through my own genophobia and something which improved the physical side of our relationship.

do you think that sort of thing should be banned?

As I said, your quite entitled to your own emotional response, that's fair enough, just as I'm quite entitled to find tomatoes disgusting, but there is quite a leap between "I find something disgusting", and "something is harmful/immoral and should be banned"

Hope some of this makes sense.

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Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

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2018-12-13 21:16:03

Honestly, most of the people who want Porn banned are the parents of children. Of course, the parents get so over-emotional, and develop this mindset of, "Obey me or I shall *insert action*!" It really is quite sad, really; I get the urge to protect children, but once a child has reached adulthood, the protection from the parent doesn't exactly apply...

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2018-12-15 02:23:26

yes i agree. they should put such filters in place.

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2018-12-15 03:34:13

No... no they shouldn't. Read this topic, you'll find out why.

"On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!]: 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out ?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."    — Charles Babbage.

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2018-12-17 06:33:12

Hi all, I agree with #12. If it's in the students' dorms or their own private internet, sure, let them watch all the porn they want. However, around 5 years ago I used to work as assistant for a computer lab in my old university, where students could borrow computers with specialized software to do their assignments. Watching porn in those labs was banned because these computers had a very specific purpose and because the lab had a code of conduct whereby it was explicit that porn-watching wasn't allowed. Moreover, I'm from a developing country, so back then students not only watched but also downloaded porn, therefore slowing down the entire network. Anyway, to sum, I believe there is a time and place for everything. A computer lab or a lecture hall are not the right places to watch porn and I would assume universities would have codes of conduct around this. That's just my opinion.

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2018-12-17 17:08:36

@22, yeah, that I agree with. But there's no point in banning it everywhere -- people will find ways around it, its incredibly easy to do so.

"On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!]: 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out ?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."    — Charles Babbage.

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2018-12-17 17:57:35

plus, internet is for porn.

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2018-12-17 20:24:09 (edited by GauravSharma 2018-12-17 20:29:53)

definitely not. it's like you're  imposing a time limit to be in washrooms. why, if you're that afraid of  students getting spoiled, or out of line,  why not  give kids a preset time limit for  washrooms so that they don't do any jerking off in there and be all, ahem, business? big_smile  people'd still find ways  to jerk off. it's the same with pornographic content.

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