2013-04-12 03:33:41

i saw this thread at the google : forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=8281

it is about pokemon online games

so i would like to introduce your previously pokemon mmorpg game called as PokemonCraft

and now monster mmorpg : http://www.monstermmorpg.com/

it has 1,200+ digital artwork monsters and 520 maps smile

check home page for detailed information

thanks

2013-04-12 05:00:49

Hi.
This game is not accesible at all.
I thought it wouldn't be but I had to check.
I thought it might be spam but the site is fine. It's the game, mostly all graphics are not labled and mostly all the buttons to.
So do not try this game.

I'm gone for real :)

2013-04-12 14:49:51

brad wrote:

Hi.
This game is not accesible at all.
I thought it wouldn't be but I had to check.
I thought it might be spam but the site is fine. It's the game, mostly all graphics are not labled and mostly all the buttons to.
So do not try this game.

what you are saying does not make sense

game is working perfectly fine and fast

2013-04-12 21:55:36

Hi.
I'm sorry, I thought you were spam, that's why I was saying not to try this game.
Sorry again.

I'm gone for real :)

2013-04-12 22:18:10

Hi,
I'm sorry that none of this seems to make sense to you. What brad forgot to mention is that many of our members here, including me, are completely blind. Thus, we rely on screen reading software. However, what seems to have happened here is that the sreen reader can't read the buttons or text in your game. However, there may be some modifications you could make to the code to make it more accessible. If you stick around, I'm sure someone else may be able to give some suggestions, as there are some developers who have actually been contacted and they turned around and implemented some more screen reader friendly pages so that their games could be played by us.
We've got some sited developers here too, like the user Aprone.
So, welcome to the forum and I must apologise for the rather rude welcome you got in post 2.

2013-04-13 01:13:34

aaron wrote:

Hi,
I'm sorry that none of this seems to make sense to you. What brad forgot to mention is that many of our members here, including me, are completely blind. Thus, we rely on screen reading software. However, what seems to have happened here is that the sreen reader can't read the buttons or text in your game. However, there may be some modifications you could make to the code to make it more accessible. If you stick around, I'm sure someone else may be able to give some suggestions, as there are some developers who have actually been contacted and they turned around and implemented some more screen reader friendly pages so that their games could be played by us.
We've got some sited developers here too, like the user Aprone.
So, welcome to the forum and I must apologise for the rather rude welcome you got in post 2.

hey no problem at all
i really was not aware that blind people were playing games
actually i was not aware it was possible

at future i will also consider this thank you

2013-04-13 08:30:09

Hi Monstermmorpg and welcome to the forum.

Appologies for the confusion. This site, as Aaron said is intended to promote, and catalogue games accessible to blind people (check the database on the front of site). 

This is one reason why pokemon online games have been discussed, since as you can imagine pokemon in standard form on various nintendo consoles isn't playable. however, with screen reading technology it's possible to read text and navigate the internet, and so long as images, buttons etc are  labled correctly in text, online, brouser based mmorpg games can be extremely accessible, indeed we list several in this database such as Core Exiles, Kingdom of Loathing, Loraeon, Puppet Nightmares and Sryth, (it's likely pokemon moon and pokemon rpg will get a page too).

Even games which are otherwise heavily graphical (such as core exiles or Puppet nightmares), have been made accessible, thanks to developers in put on lables etc. For more information see http://www.blindcomputergames.com/ or indeed just ask around on the forum, and myself and others would be very glad to play test any access modifications you might want to make to your game.

Other games to play are always welcome, indeed it'd be great to see a propper monster creation game which had a complex battle and item system, and detailed exploration, as indeed the pokemon games do, but which has not yet been implemented in the couple of pokemon mmorpgs we've seen thus far.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2013-04-13 14:01:21

Dark wrote:

Hi Monstermmorpg and welcome to the forum.

Appologies for the confusion. This site, as Aaron said is intended to promote, and catalogue games accessible to blind people (check the database on the front of site). 

This is one reason why pokemon online games have been discussed, since as you can imagine pokemon in standard form on various nintendo consoles isn't playable. however, with screen reading technology it's possible to read text and navigate the internet, and so long as images, buttons etc are  labled correctly in text, online, brouser based mmorpg games can be extremely accessible, indeed we list several in this database such as Core Exiles, Kingdom of Loathing, Loraeon, Puppet Nightmares and Sryth, (it's likely pokemon moon and pokemon rpg will get a page too).

Even games which are otherwise heavily graphical (such as core exiles or Puppet nightmares), have been made accessible, thanks to developers in put on lables etc. For more information see http://www.blindcomputergames.com/ or indeed just ask around on the forum, and myself and others would be very glad to play test any access modifications you might want to make to your game.

Other games to play are always welcome, indeed it'd be great to see a propper monster creation game which had a complex battle and item system, and detailed exploration, as indeed the pokemon games do, but which has not yet been implemented in the couple of pokemon mmorpgs we've seen thus far.


i will definitely consider this

what kind of labels are required ? for example title for images or special tags ?

2013-04-13 21:04:08

No special tags, simply correctly labelling the images and controls in standard alt text just as you'd find on many websites.

Screen reading programs work by reading the actual text, rather than viewing the letters, so generally any standard lables will do, much as the one for the creative heroes site at the bottom of this page is labled.

Issues can sometimes occur with flash scripts, wonky controls, hotspots on pages that are not correctly identified etc, but generally as long as it's standard text it should work fine.

if you want to see for yourself, most commercial screen reading programs such as supernova (the one I personally use), jaws for windows or window eyes all have downloadable demos. Alternatively, there is the free open source screen reader nvda.

You might also contact the developers over at 7-128 software for more information. as a bunch of developers who create multi access games and have a fully workable website with all specifically labled controls etc, they would likely be in the best position to give accurate, technical advice if there were any issues you were unsure of.

i will have a look at your game and see what I can! find, since if it uses standard links and buttons I should be able to at least navigate the pages even if I don't know what I'm clicking on, and therefore it'd just be a question of propper lables.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2013-04-14 00:22:01

Hi.
I'm really sorry if I came across as rude.
As dark and Aaron have said, we are mostly  blind on this website, and rely on screen reading software.
What a screen reader does, is using symthetic speach, or a braille display, tells us what is on the screen.
There are shortcuts you must learn to use a screen reader and alot of other things to. But lets not get into that.
I'm not sure if you know how to lable an image with Alt text so here is an example:
<img src="A practice image.jpg" alt="a practice image">

If this was a real image, A screen reader would say something along the lines of, graphic, a practice image.

I hope this helps and that my HTMl is correct.

I'm gone for real :)

2013-04-14 09:16:30

Hello.

Well I attempted to sign up for the monstermmorpg game in order to test things, however unfortunately the signup E-mail never showed up (and this is 12 hours later). I'm not sure if this is because I have an unusual E-mail address which the system read as spam.

I did however have a poke around more of the website. The links at the top of your page for the forum, map etc are not labled (I had to read the actual html address of the links to know what they were, and as you will imagine this isn't always obvious especially in games, plus it won't work with unlabled buttons much less anything else such as directly clicking an image), however the name and stats of monsters were very readable, and though the link was not labled since it was positioned under the monsters name it was relatively easy to find. I wasn't sure whether there were images labeling which of the weakness elements were which, since when reading those I just got four percentages, though equally if there are four elements that always go in the same order, eg, earth, air, fire, water, then this might be fine.

I can't say much else about the game generally. The map obviously being an image was not readable, but whether that will affect in game navigation I don't know, in core exiles the galaxy map is unreadable, but all the planets, starbases etc to navigate to are labled fine meaning that a blind player can simply learn his/her way around.

From my rather limited look at the main page, the only thing that would be nice is some flavour text describing each monster, since obviously as the images aren't available, it's not possible to know what the monsters actually look like or what their habbits were, indeed such text and descriptions might be a good addition for everyone and are not something I've seen in either of the other pokemon online mmorpgs (which just had names and images), or even in puppet nightmares which has a small line of text detailing the creation of each soul puppet at the top of it's info page, but nothing about it's habbits or character.

Since gamebooks, text rpgs, interactive fiction games etc are still very much played, and indeed are becoming very popular on the iPhone this is something which likely will be of bennifit to everyone.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2013-04-14 09:20:44

Oh, and my mail address is dark at x g a m dot o r g.

I usually go with character names dark,darkempathy,or dark empathy in games depending upon which will fit, so if you want to send me an invite I'll be very pleased to look the full game over if that will help.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2013-04-14 12:29:40

hi

i tried the monstermmorpg a long time ago. actually the last summer holiday wich was somewhere in august last year.
i got my account activated. with the name pelantas like in here. but i don't know for sure anymore. most of the time on english games i register myself as pelantas ...

but there weren't many things labled. some things i could read fine. but the maps aren't labled. the maps where you're walking on i asume.

i'll take a look again and report back to this topic.

greetz mike

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2013-04-14 13:00:36

hi again

i've seen quite enough of the game to report back. dark why you're seeing complete url's of links is a thing of supernova. i also had tat problem when i used hal.
with jaws i don't see complete url's of links. i can see the links of maps, register, login etc.
the real problem comes when i log in to the game. i had to register again cause my previous account has been deleted for some reason. but anyway ... all the links are pretty readable. but when i want to walk on the map ... i can't find where the map begins either. so maybe a good idea to place a marker in words maybe where the map begins. i suggest a heading.
i didn't came really far because i tried to find the map list from were i could choose on wich map i want to stick around for a while. but now i believe you've to walk from the one map to another. so maybe a good idea to make signs wich can be read by blind people. don't place them i nthe centre of the map but above the heading of the map. where you tell the blind and visually impaired people go to the east to go to map x
and when you as a blind human being end up between the trees on a map. it should tell you go north for the exit.
you know, also a pointer what leads you to the exit to another map.

what i suggest:
- a clear marker what tells you that you enter the map with your screenreader when you continue pressing the down arrow. you know, so it is clear for the blind user that he/she is going to view the map.
- different pointers above the heading of the map. so it is going to tell you go north for the exit to map x. when there are two exits to two different maps there should be 2 pointers.
- when you've to press images to walk around on a map, i know i haven't covered this while i was writing the story above, but maybe changing the images to labled buttons, or lable the images on the way brad suggested.

when i was sighted i really enjoyed to play the pokemon games the way you coded your game. and i really like the idea. and i also really like the idea you're willing to integrate the blind community as well.
as dark said. we do want to test it out for you.

good luck.

greetz mike

Visit the following website to see what games we have:
http://www.nonvisiongames.com
Or the following English marketplace to see what retrogames and game merchandise I am selling:
https://www.retro-kingdom.com

2013-04-14 22:39:13

hey thanks a lot for all feedback

now i see what kind of labeling is required

also who did not receive email please check your spam box
it might be identified as spam

i am planning to redesign whole site  as v3 soon
that time i am planning to make correct labelings

2013-04-15 08:45:38

Hi.
Sounds awesome. I'm looking forward to see what this game have to offer, if it will be made accessible in the future. Keep up the good work.

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2013-04-15 10:14:56

Hi.

I'm afraid I don't have! a spambotx, I just block spam bots when I get the messages, it just seems the account mail never showed up.

@pelantas,  your a little behind with Hal there. Modern hal doesn't! automatically read urls of unlabled links unless you specifically use the key to, as indeed I did myself to find the register page, indeed even in past versions how much was read was a function of what verbosity you set in the program.

@monstermmorpg, if you can fix the game that would be great, just let u know when it's ready and myself and others will be glad to test it, ---- provided I can get the mail of course big_smile.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2013-04-16 17:48:46

hi

@monstermmorpg
it will be awsome if you can do it. and as dark sais we are more than happy to test it for you.

@dark
i also think that my knowledge of hal is behind haha, the last hal version i used was hal version 11.56 and i know that hal 14.00 is near release.
so yeah, i think i've to study more on hal before i'll come with other things like the url story i gave in my previous post ...

tongue

but keep up the good work.

greetz mike

Visit the following website to see what games we have:
http://www.nonvisiongames.com
Or the following English marketplace to see what retrogames and game merchandise I am selling:
https://www.retro-kingdom.com

2013-04-22 00:28:17

Sounds like a cool game. Definetly keep us posted on the accessability of it. I'll definetly try it out when it is working:) thanks. The pokemon games for gameboy are somewhat accessable, given a propper amount of memorization, but, not all of it is, which is anoying. Having one similar to pokemon that is accessable would be great:)

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2013-04-24 14:43:47

To be accurate, as per the deffinition of access  this site uses (which i do confess is based on my own research), the pokemon games on  gameboy etc are somewhat playable, but because a, a blind person must expend hugely more effort memorizing, not being able to read stats etc, and just making guesses according to the sfx, and B, not all of the game is playable anyway (the exploration sequences in particular I believe as well as reading all the textual information and dialogue), they would not qualify as accessible.

this is why online pokemon style games are such a good thing, since they can! be fully accessible.

With our dreaming and singing, Ceaseless and sorrowless we! The glory about us clinging Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing; O men! It must ever be
That we dwell in our dreaming and singing, A little apart from ye. (Arthur O'Shaughnessy 1873.)

2013-04-27 03:16:21

sorry guys it will take a while until i recode site for better playability for you

2013-04-27 13:09:01

Hi,
It's fine we can wait, I know accessibility takes time, look at king of dragon pass. It was well worth the wait, that one. Took around three or four versions but now that it's all fixed, it's a blast with the iPHone screen reader, known as Voiceover.